Reluctant Converts and Quiet Heroism: Joseph Pearce on Tolkien, Lewis, and Mary's Fiat

What C.S. Lewis Teaches Us About Heaven, Hell, and the Choices We Make Now w/ Andrew Swafford

Andrew Swafford, professor of theology at Benedictine College and author of Next Stop: The Afterlife, joins us to explore how C.S. Lewis's The Great Divorce illuminates the reality of heaven, hell, and purgatory and why every ordinary choice we make is quietly shaping our eternal destiny. Andrew also shares the pivotal yes that changed his own life: a football scholarship to Benedictine College, an unexpected encounter with Christ, and the discovery that going all in with Jesus never costs you who you are—it makes you more fully yourself. What We Talk About: * How a football scholarship became the setting for Andrew's conversion and why he says the risk of faith always produces a deeper, truer version of who you already are * What makes The Great Divorce such a powerful entry point into thinking about heaven and hell, including Lewis's insight that heaven is more real than earth, and what that means for how we love and live right now * The unforgettable characters in The Great Divorce—Pam the grieving mother and the man with the lizard—and why even the highest loves in us must be surrendered to God if they are to be transfigured in glory * Why the small, ordinary choices we make at home—in marriage, parenting, and the hidden moments no one sees—are where eternity is truly won or lost, and why repair matters far more than perfection * How to stay rooted in Jesus when the culture feels heavy and overwhelming: think local, pray more than you worry, and keep the Eucharist at the center of your life Chapters: * 00:00: Welcome and Introduction * 02:24: Andrew's Journey to Yes: Football, Conversion, and Going All In * 04:17: Introducing Next Stop: The Afterlife * 06:39: The Great Divorce, Purgatory's Joy, and the Transformation God Desires * 07:22: What Makes The Great Divorce Such a Powerful Entry Point * 09:42: Why C.S. Lewis Chose Story Over Straight Theology * 11:22: Heaven Is More Real Than Earth * 14:43: Recognizing Our Own Attachments: Pam and the Man with the Lizard * 18:38: Small Daily Choices and Eternal Destiny * 21:29: The Gift of Repair in Family Life * 25:01: Heaven, Hell, and the Choices We Make Now * 29:32: Staying Centered on Jesus in a Heavy Culture Resources Mentioned: * Next Stop: The Afterlife by Andrew Swafford [https://www.avemariapress.com/products/next-stop-the-afterlife] * The Great Divorce by C.S. Lewis [https://www.christianbook.com/the-great-divorce-c-s-lewis/9780060652951/pd/652950] * The Screwtape Letters by C.S. Lewis [https://www.christianbook.com/the-screwtape-letters-c-s-lewis/9780060652937/pd/52934] * The Swaffords [https://theswaffords.com/] * Paloma&Fig [https://palomaandfig.com] Produced by Saint Kolbe Studios [https://saintkolbestudios.com/]. Send us Fan Mail [https://www.buzzsprout.com/2457003/fan_mail/new] Support the show [https://www.buzzsprout.com/2457003/support] Follow Paloma & Fig on Facebook [https://www.facebook.com/palomaandfig], Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/palomaandfig/] & LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/company/palomaandfig]. Learn more at www.palomaandfig.com [https://palomaandfig.com]. Join in the conversation by joining our  Facebook group, A Resounding Yes! [https://www.facebook.com/groups/1439498403851978]

The Spiritual Wisdom of J.R.R. Tolkien w/ Kaitlyn Facista (Tea with Tolkien)

Kaitlyn Facista is the founder of Tea with Tolkien, an online community celebrating the life, writings, and Catholic faith of J.R.R. Tolkien and the author of Into the Heart of Middle-earth, published by Ave Maria Press. In this episode, she shares her journey from Protestant roots to Catholicism, how Tolkien's fiction was woven into her conversion story, and why the spiritual depth of Middle-earth is anything but accidental. What We Talk About: * How Kaitlyn's winding path through medical school moves, a search for truth, and life in England led her and her husband into the Catholic Church * The discovery that Tolkien's Catholic faith is not allegory but something woven into the very fibers of Middle-earth, and what "applicability" means versus allegory * What characters like Samwise, Aragorn, and the hobbits reveal about humility, discernment, and the power of the small * How Tolkien's villains warn us against isolation while his heroes model fellowship, counsel, and communal discernment * The one spiritual insight Kaitlyn hopes readers carry away from her book: that small, daily choices are how we bring ourselves—and the world—closer to goodness Chapters: * 00:00: Introduction and Guest Background * 02:48: Kaitlyn's Yes—Converting to Catholicism * 07:02: What Drew Her to Tolkien and When the Spiritual Depth Clicked * 09:30: How Tea with Tolkien Began * 14:38: Why Now Was the Right Time to Write Into the Heart of Middle-earth * 16:13: Allegory vs. Applicability: How to Read Tolkien's Faith Without Forcing It * 17:49: The "Ever-Present Person"—Providence Hidden in Plain Sight * 19:57: Samwise Gamgee, True Hero? Loyalty and Holiness * 21:08: Aragorn, Humility, and the Long Road to Kingship * 24:15: Connecting Tolkien's Characters to the Saints * 25:21: Fellowship as a Model for Faith, Family, and Parish Life * 27:02: The One Takeaway from Into the Heart of Middle-earth Resources Mentioned: * Tea with Tolkien [https://www.teawithtolkien.com] * Into the Heart of Middle-earth — Ave Maria Press [https://www.avemariapress.com/products/into-the-heart-of-middle-earth] * Paloma&Fig [https://palomaandfig.com] Produced by Saint Kolbe Studios [https://saintkolbestudios.com] Send us Fan Mail [https://www.buzzsprout.com/2457003/fan_mail/new] Support the show [https://www.buzzsprout.com/2457003/support] Follow Paloma & Fig on Facebook [https://www.facebook.com/palomaandfig], Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/palomaandfig/] & LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/company/palomaandfig]. Learn more at www.palomaandfig.com [https://palomaandfig.com]. Join in the conversation by joining our  Facebook group, A Resounding Yes! [https://www.facebook.com/groups/1439498403851978]

Reluctant Converts and Quiet Heroism: Joseph Pearce on Tolkien, Lewis, and Mary's Fiat

In this episode of A Resounding Yes!, Christina Sabo and co-host Franci Revel Eckensberger welcome back the internationally acclaimed Catholic author and literary biographer Joseph Pearce for a rich conversation on imagination, conversion, and the Marian threads woven through the works of J.R.R. Tolkien and C.S. Lewis.  What We Talk About: * How Joseph Pearce's journey from neo-Nazi politics to Catholicism was shaped by the writings of Chesterton, Belloc, Tolkien, and Lewis—and what his conversion reveals about the slow, grace-filled nature of saying yes * Why Christ Himself sanctified story through the parables, and how the Christian imagination reaches hearts in ways that argument alone cannot * The Marian echoes in Tolkien's Galadriel and the surprising complexity of Lewis's relationship with Our Lady * How Tolkien and Lewis reimagine heroism as humility and inner victory rather than domination, and why that matters for souls striving toward holiness today * The dangerous "golemization" of the self in a distraction-saturated culture, and how the timeless worlds of Middle-earth and Narnia can reorient us toward wonder, contemplation, and the final victory found only in heaven Chapters: * 00:00: Welcome & Opening Prayer * 05:27: Joseph Pearce's Conversion Story * 07:37: Mary's Fiat and the Slow Yes * 08:51: Why Story Reaches Hearts More Deeply Than Argument * 11:00: Inner Heroism in Tolkien and Lewis * 12:30: Marian Themes in Tolkien and Lewis * 18:13: Lewis's Longing and the Marian Path to Heaven * 20:02: Imagination, Reason, and Lewis's Conversion * 24:27: The Providential Friendship of Tolkien and Lewis * 30:00: Wonder, Enchantment, and the Danger of Distraction * 39:56: Raising Children with Tolkien and Lewis * 47:06: Humility, Gratitude, and the Power of a Simple Yes Resources Mentioned: * Race With the Devil by Joseph Pearce [https://tanbooks.com/products/books/race-with-the-devil-my-journey-from-racial-hatred-to-rational-love/] (Tan Books) * Joseph Pearce's Inner Sanctum [https://jpearce.co/members-area/?wlfrom=%2Fthe-inner-sanctum%2F] * Paloma&Fig [https://palomaandfig.com/blog/] Produced by Saint Kolbe Studios [https://saintkolbestudios.com/] Send us Fan Mail [https://www.buzzsprout.com/2457003/fan_mail/new] Support the show [https://www.buzzsprout.com/2457003/support] Follow Paloma & Fig on Facebook [https://www.facebook.com/palomaandfig], Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/palomaandfig/] & LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/company/palomaandfig]. Learn more at www.palomaandfig.com [https://palomaandfig.com]. Join in the conversation by joining our  Facebook group, A Resounding Yes! [https://www.facebook.com/groups/1439498403851978]

Finding God in the Sacred Chaos of Motherhood with Jennifer Stavinoha

In this special Month of Mary episode, Christina Sabo is joined by Jennifer Stavinoha — ministry leader, theologian, and author of Sacred Chaos: Finding Joy and Jesus in the Messiness of Motherhood — to explore what it looks like to say yes to God in the beautiful, exhausting reality of motherhood. Recorded in honor of Our Lady of Fatima and timed for Mother's Day, this conversation is a gift for every mother who has ever wondered where God went when the quiet prayer life disappeared. What We Talk About: * Jennifer's conversion moment at Eucharistic Adoration as a teenager and how it set the direction of her entire life * How motherhood dismantled everything she thought she knew about prayer — and what she discovered on the other side of that * The structure of Sacred Chaos as a three-week mini-retreat built around desire, encounter, and joy — and why these three themes arise from her own experience as a mom * Practical tools for praying with small children, including the "basket technique" and the gift of toddler adoration * How turning to Our Lady of Fatima in the middle of the night became a doorway to deeper intimacy with Mary as both mother and sister Chapters: * 00:00: Introduction & Opening Prayer * 03:50: Jennifer's Yes * 08:48: Introducing Sacred Chaos * 10:35: Inside the Book — A Three-Week Mini-Retreat * 14:44: Finding God in the Chaos of Ordinary Moments * 20:23: Practical Prayer Tools for Moms * 25:16: The Structure Behind Desire, Encounter, and Joy * 34:38: Playlists, Videos, and How They Support Prayer * 35:00: The Most Surprising Thing Motherhood Has Revealed About God * 38:24: When a Mom Feels Far from God: Start with Mary Resources Mentioned: * Sacred Chaos: Finding Joy and Jesus in the Messiness of Motherhood by Jennifer Stavinoha [https://www.avemariapress.com/products/sacred-chaos] * Jennifer Stavinoha's Website [https://www.jenstavinoha.com/] * Abandonment to Divine Providence by Jean-Pierre de Caussade [https://www.avemariapress.com/products/abandonment-to-divine-providence] * Drink the Still Water: Jennifer Stavinoha's Sacred Chaos — Paloma&Fig blog [https://palomaandfig.com/sacredchaos/] Produced by Saint Kolbe Studios [https://saintkolbestudios.com/] Send us Fan Mail [https://www.buzzsprout.com/2457003/fan_mail/new] Support the show [https://www.buzzsprout.com/2457003/support] Follow Paloma & Fig on Facebook [https://www.facebook.com/palomaandfig], Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/palomaandfig/] & LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/company/palomaandfig]. Learn more at www.palomaandfig.com [https://palomaandfig.com]. Join in the conversation by joining our  Facebook group, A Resounding Yes! [https://www.facebook.com/groups/1439498403851978]

Tell Them About Me: How Maria Eva Jacobs Overcame Bipolar Disorder Through Faith, Music, and Surrender

Maria Eva Jacobs is a national recording artist, published author, and vocal jazz professor at Kent State University whose yes to God has unfolded over decades of struggle, surrender, and extraordinary fruit. In this episode, Christina and Maria trace the arc of her faith journey—from her Byzantine Melkite roots and a life reshaped by bipolar disorder, to a supernatural encounter with God that set her on a path of ministry through music and writing.  What We Talk About: * Maria's background as a cradle Catholic in the Byzantine Melkite Greek Catholic Church and how music became the center of her faith life from childhood * Her journey through bipolar disorder, the lies the disease told her about God, and the supernatural encounter that planted the seed of her yes * Why surrender isn't a one-time event—and how learning to love the Giver more than the gift transformed her career and her life * The interplay between faith and proper medical treatment in her healing journey, and why she's a passionate advocate for both * Her debut Christian album Perfect Is Your Will and what sets it apart from her nine previous jazz recordings Chapters: * 00:00: Welcome and Introduction * 03:06: Embracing Lent and Easter Through Prayer * 04:39: Maria's Story: Byzantine Roots and a Musical Beginning * 07:20: The Slow Yes: Surrender as a Daily Practice * 11:39: A Musical Upbringing: Her Father's Influence * 18:55: Perfect Is Your Will: Her First Christian Album * 26:34: Faith and Mental Health: Why Both Matter * 32:40: Sustained in the Darkness * 38:34: What She Hopes Listeners Take Away * 42:08: Maria's Perfect Day Resources: * Maria Eva Jacobs [https://mariajacobs.com] * Perfect Is Your Will [https://open.spotify.com/album/2H5Qg2mEoroXRQcMGJFG1h] — stream the album * Tell Them About Me [https://mariajacobs.com/christian-author] — Amazon [https://a.co/d/05JGiZ8r] | Barnes & Noble [https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/tell-them-about-me-maria-eva-jacobs/1148690442] * Paloma&Fig [https://palomaandfig.com] Follow Maria's Work on Social Media: * www.Facebook.com/mariaevajacobs [http://www.facebook.com/mariaevajacobs] * www.Facebook.com/mariajacobsmusic [http://www.facebook.com/mariajacobsmusic] * www.Facebook.com/tellthemaboutmeauthor [http://www.facebook.com/tellthemaboutmeauthor] * www.instagram.com/mariaevajacobs [http://www.instagram.com/mariaevajacobs] * https://www.linkedin.com/in/mariaevajacobs/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/mariaevajacobs?utm_source=share&utm_campaign=share_via&utm_content=profile&utm_medium=ios_app] Produced by Saint Kolbe Studios [https://saintkolbestudios.com/] Send us Fan Mail [https://www.buzzsprout.com/2457003/fan_mail/new] Support the show [https://www.buzzsprout.com/2457003/support] Follow Paloma & Fig on Facebook [https://www.facebook.com/palomaandfig], Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/palomaandfig/] & LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/company/palomaandfig]. Learn more at www.palomaandfig.com [https://palomaandfig.com]. Join in the conversation by joining our  Facebook group, A Resounding Yes! [https://www.facebook.com/groups/1439498403851978]