EP 92: SB1123, ADU Stacking & the Future of Scalable Middle Housing with Jared Jones

The Hidden ADU Cost Most Homeowners Miss

In this episode, I sit down with Yusuf Mohammed — Chief Design Officer and Co-Founder of Plumis, creator of the award-winning Automist smart fire suppression system — to discuss one of the most overlooked costs in ADU development: fire protection requirements. While most homeowners focus on design, permits, and construction costs, many are surprised to discover that fire sprinkler requirements, water meter upgrades, and utility infrastructure can add thousands of dollars to an ADU project. Yusuf shares how his team developed a new approach to fire suppression that helps address some of the infrastructure challenges homeowners, builders, and developers face when building ADUs and tiny homes. We dive into: • Why fire protection requirements can dramatically impact ADU budgets • The hidden costs behind water meter and utility upgrades • How fire sprinkler requirements vary by jurisdiction • The difference between traditional sprinkler systems and targeted water mist technology • Why infrastructure becomes a major challenge as housing density increases • How tiny homes and ADUs are helping address housing shortages worldwide • What homeowners should understand before starting an ADU project • How modern technology is changing building safety and construction costs • The role fire protection plays in future housing development This episode offers a unique perspective on a topic that doesn't get enough attention in the ADU world but can have a significant impact on project feasibility, costs, and long-term safety. If you're considering an ADU, tiny home, garage conversion, or development project, this conversation will help you better understand one of the most important — and often overlooked — parts of the building process. @stephsellsADUs adugginvestments.org

EP 93: California vs Colorado ADUs: What Investors Need to Know

In this episode, I sit down with Chris Moore, third-generation builder, design-build expert, and founder of Prospect 38 Construction, to talk about the evolving ADU market in Colorado and how it compares to what we’re seeing in California. We dive into the realities of building ADUs outside of California, including zoning changes, construction costs, political pushback, lending challenges, insurance concerns, and the growing demand for multi-generational living. Chris shares firsthand insight from years of building custom homes, additions, and ADUs throughout the Denver metro area and mountain communities, including what types of ADUs are actually working in today’s market and why long-term appreciation may matter more than short-term cash flow. We dive into: • The biggest differences between ADUs in California vs Colorado • How Colorado’s ADU laws and zoning regulations are changing • Why some cities are pushing back on density • The real construction costs behind detached ADUs and garage conversions • Why multi-generational living is becoming one of the biggest drivers for ADUs • The ROI conversation most investors overlook • How lending, insurance, and utility infrastructure impact ADU projects • Why small ADUs don’t always mean lower costs • The challenges of balancing housing density with neighborhood character • What investors should actually look for when evaluating ADU opportunities This conversation goes beyond just ADU design and construction — it’s a deep dive into the future of housing, density, affordability, and how different states are approaching the housing crisis in completely different ways. If you're interested in ADUs, real estate investing, zoning strategy, multi-generational housing, or understanding where the future of development is headed, this episode is packed with valuable insight. @stephsellsADUs adugginvestments.org

EP 92: SB1123, ADU Stacking & the Future of Scalable Middle Housing with Jared Jones

In this episode, I sit down with Jared Jones — real estate investor, developer, and co-owner of Power of 2 Realty and Middle Housing Partners — to break down what’s really happening in small-lot development, middle housing, and scalable density in today’s market. With over 1,200 transactions, 450+ flips, 600+ developed doors, and more than $200M in managed real estate assets, Jared shares what it actually takes to build at scale — and why new housing legislation like SB1123 is changing the game for investors and developers. We dive into: • Why investors are excited about starter-home and build-to-rent micro developments  • SB1123 explained — small-lot subdivisions, sellability, and market impact  • How to stack ADU laws and housing bills to unlock density  • Utility delays, TA letters, and real-world legislative bottlenecks  • Why passive investors often outperform active operators  • Compressing development timelines to unlock massive value  • How Jared is building AI systems to automate real estate development  • Why defining your “why” matters before you scale This episode is a masterclass on modern development strategy — blending policy, systems, financing, and technology to create scalable middle housing in a market that desperately needs it. If you're serious about ADUs, small-lot subdivisions, build-to-rent, or long-term development plays, this is a conversation you don’t want to miss. @stephsellsADUs adugginvestments.org

EP 91: Building Through Cycles: Lessons From a Developer Who’s Seen It All

In this episode, I sit down with Rob Wilson, a seasoned real estate investor, developer, and lending professional with over 30 years of experience navigating multiple market cycles. Rob has seen it all booms, busts, stalled projects, rising interest rates, and deals that only worked because they were structured the right way. We go beyond spreadsheets and pro formas to talk about what actually determines success in real estate: resilience, smart financing, strong partnerships, and understanding risk before it shows up. We dive into: * How real estate cycles really work and how to invest through them * Common mistakes investors and developers make when structuring deals * The developer-lender mindset and why financing strategy matters more than ever * Lessons learned the hard way that can save you time, money, and stress * How to think long-term in an uncertain market Whether you’re investing in ADUs, multifamily, development, or value-add projects, this episode is packed with real-world insight you won’t find in a textbook. @stephsellsADUs adugginvestments.org

EP 90 How to Finance SB9 & ADU Projects with Nancy Kenny

In this episode, Steph sits down with Nancy Kenny, a construction-focused loan officer with over 40 years of lending experience, to break down one of the most misunderstood topics in California real estate: how ADUs and SB9 projects are actually financed. Many homeowners and investors assume there’s a special “ADU loan” or “SB9 loan” that exists behind the scenes. The truth? These projects are financed using traditional and non-traditional construction, renovation, and investor loan programs and knowing how to structure them correctly makes all the difference. Nancy shares: * Why there is no ADU-specific loan (and what lenders really use instead) * How renovation HELOCs, construction loans, and investor programs fund ADUs * How appraisers determine after-repair value (ARV) for ADU properties * Why SB9 projects are often easier to finance and appraise than traditional ADUs * Real-world examples showing how ADUs can turn a single-family home into a cash-flowing asset * What lenders look for when evaluating ADU and SB9 feasibility * Why ADUs and lot splits are becoming essential to making California real estate pencil We also discuss what’s coming next including potential Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac updates, upcoming educational events and why building the right ADU-focused team is critical for success. Whether you’re a homeowner looking to add income, or an investor exploring ADUs and SB9 strategies for 2026 and beyond, this episode delivers practical insights you can actually use. Connect with Nancy: Website: https://vintagelending.com/ [https://vintagelending.com/] Email:  nancy@vintagelending.com IG: https://www.instagram.com/nancykennyloans/ [https://www.instagram.com/nancykennyloans/] Connect with me: 📧 stephanie@adugginvestments.org Website: www.adugginvestments.org [https://www.adugginvestments.org/] Youtube: www.youtube.com/@stephsellADU [https://www.youtube.com/@stephsellADU] Instagram: @StephSellsADUs [https://www.instagram.com/stephsellsadus/]