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The practice of seclusion is still happening in Minnesota schools. In this episode, hosts Margaret Sullivan and Josh Crosson sit down with Jessica Heiser, attorney at the Minnesota Disability Law Center, to talk about what seclusion—the use of solitary confinement on children—actually looks like for Minnesota students: a barren, locked room roughly the size of two yoga mats, with thick metal doors, fluorescent lighting, and drains in the floor. Josh, Margaret, and Jessica discuss the Minnesota Disability Law Center's new report, Children in Confinement, which documents nearly 90 of these rooms across the state and the data shows they are used disproportionately against students of color and those with disabilities. The discussion covers why seclusion persists—undertrained staff, compliance-based school culture, and a widespread misunderstanding of what seclusion even is. Jessica details why seclusion is neither voluntary nor therapeutic: it's a child, alone, locked in, with no adult support and no tools to self-regulate. The episode also covers the distinct differences between seclusion rooms and sensory rooms and why the latter is a positive and supportive experience, especially for younger students. The episode ends with an update on how there is a push in the Minnesota legislature to roll back the 2023 ban on the use of k-3 seclusions. Margaret, Josh, and Jess break down what's at stake and what parents, educators, and community members can do right now.
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