Grit and Grace: Real Conversatons on Resilience, Growth and Living in Alignment
What if the thing quietly killing your relationship isn't the big blowouts — but the small patterns you've never even noticed? In this episode of Grit and Grace, Pam and Erin sit down with Aftin Jolly, Registered Clinical Counselor and Level 2 Gottman-trained couples therapist based in Kelowna, BC. Aftin brings clinical expertise and raw honesty to one of our most requested topics — relationships. The good, the messy, and the "are we actually going to make it" moments. THE FOUR HORSEMEN OF RELATIONSHIP DESTRUCTION Gottman research identifies four patterns that predict relationship breakdown: — Contempt: The #1 predictor of failure. It's the look that says "I'm better than you." — Criticism: How "helpful" comments quietly erode your partner's self-worth — Defensiveness: Why avoiding accountability destroys connection long-term — Stonewalling: The difference between needing to regulate and using silence as punishment WHAT WE ALSO COVER — The Emotional Bank Account: why one negative interaction takes 20 positives to balance — Bids for attention and how they build or drain your relationship daily — Why emotional intimacy erodes before physical intimacy — and what to do — The safety vs. desire teeter-totter (Esther Perel's framework) — Why no conflict is not the same as happiness — The weekly check-in question that keeps couples connected before crisis WORK WITH PAM If this episode stirred something up and you're ready to stop waiting for things to get better on their own, Pam offers 1:1 coaching to help you move toward more freedom and fulfillment — in your relationships and your life. 👉 pamrader.com [http://pamrader.com] WORK WITH ERIN Erin works 1:1 with clients who are ready to do the deeper work. If her voice resonated with you today, connect with her at www.erinpayne,ca or connect with her on Instagram. 👉 @epayne BECOME THE CATALYST — FALL 2026 Ready to turn your own transformation into a purpose-driven career? Become the Catalyst is Pam's 6-month intensive coaching certification program built for people who are done playing small and ready to guide others toward real freedom. Enrollment opens Fall 2026. 👉 pamrader.com [http://pamrader.com] GRIT AND GRACE RETREAT — FALL 2026 Something special is coming and you don't want to miss it. Get on the waitlist for the Grit and Grace Fall Retreat and be first to know when doors open. 👉 pamrader.com/gritandgrace [http://pamrader.com/gritandgrace] ABOUT AFTIN JOLLY Registered Clinical Counselor | Level 2 Gottman Couples Therapist | Equine Assisted Learning Facilitator Based in Kelowna, BC | Available via Zoom aftinjollycounseling.com [http://aftinjollycounseling.com] | @aftinjollycounseling RESOURCES MENTIONED The Gottman Institute — gottman.com [http://gottman.com] Esther Perel — estherperel.com [http://estherperel.com] Terry Real — relationallife.com [http://relationallife.com] Byron Katie — thework.com [http://thework.com] If this episode helped you see your relationship differently, share it with someone who needs it. Leave a review and drop a comment — we read every one.
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