Leading Through Crisis: How to Stay Faithful When Life Gets Hard

The Cost of Discipleship and Leading for Christ in the Workplace with Josh Fuller

What does it actually mean to follow Jesus? For many believers, faith begins with receiving Jesus as Savior. But somewhere along the journey comes the realization that Jesus is not only Savior—He is Lord. In this episode, Joel Wayne and Luke Bilberry sit down with business leader, elder, husband, and disciple-maker Josh Fuller to discuss the difference between simply believing in Jesus and truly following Him. Josh shares his personal faith journey—from a dramatic gospel presentation at thirteen years old, through years of cultural Christianity, to discovering the life-changing call of discipleship. Together, they explore what it means to count the cost, embrace spiritual leadership, and boldly live out the gospel in the workplace. Whether you lead in a church, a business, a classroom, or your home, this conversation will challenge you to see your everyday sphere of influence as a mission field and your leadership as a calling from God. In This Episode * Josh shares the defining chapters of his spiritual journey. * Why many Christians know Jesus as Savior but never fully embrace Him as Lord. * The difference between event-driven Christianity and intentional discipleship. * Why churches must present the full invitation of Jesus—including the cost. * How spiritual leadership extends far beyond vocational ministry. * Practical ways to live unashamed of the gospel in the workplace. * Understanding your workplace as a mission field. * How fear often reveals that we are focused on ourselves rather than God's mission. * Why kindness alone is not enough—and why gospel conversations matter. * Learning to leverage everyday opportunities to point people toward Christ. Leadership Takeaways 1. Salvation Is the Beginning, Not the Finish Line Many believers have experienced a moment of conversion but have never been taught how to follow Jesus as disciples. The invitation of Jesus is not simply to believe in Him but to follow Him. 2. Discipleship Has a Cost Jesus never hid the cost of following Him. True discipleship requires surrender, obedience, and dying to self—but it also leads to freedom, joy, and transformation. 3. Every Christian Is a Spiritual Leader Spiritual leadership is not reserved for pastors or church staff. God has strategically placed every believer in unique spheres of influence to represent Christ. 4. Your Workplace Is a Mission Field The people God has placed around you may never step inside a church building. You may be God's chosen messenger in their life. 5. Fear Shrinks When Christ Becomes the Focus Many fears around evangelism ultimately center on self-preservation. When Jesus becomes our focus, courage grows and opportunities emerge. 6. Gospel Presence Must Include Gospel Proclamation Kindness, compassion, and excellence matter. But disciples of Jesus are also called to speak about the hope they have found in Christ. Memorable Quotes Key Scriptures Luke 14:25-33 – The Cost of Discipleship Romans 1:16-17 – "For I am not ashamed of the gospel..." Matthew 28:18-20 – The Great Commission 1 Peter 3:15 – Always be prepared to give an answer for the hope within you. Galatians 5:22-23 – The Fruit of the Spirit Questions for Reflection 1. Have I embraced Jesus as both Savior and Lord? 2. What costs of discipleship am I currently resisting? 3. Who has God placed in my sphere of influence that needs to experience the love of Christ? 4. Am I living unashamed of the gospel in my workplace, neighborhood, and relationships? 5. What opportunities might God be giving me to "raise the flag" and make my faith visible? 6. How can I intentionally lead spiritually in the places God has already assigned me? Connect with Be The Church Be The Church exists to equip leaders to be reinvigorated, renewed, and catalyzed to become who God has called them to be. Through biblical teaching, practical leadership insights, and transformational conversations, our goal is not self-help—but gospel-centered transformation that impacts homes, churches, workplaces, and communities. Learn more at bethechurch.org Subscribe & Share If this conversation encouraged you, share it with a friend, coworker, pastor, business leader, or disciple-maker who desires to lead from a place of deep discipleship and greater spiritual influence. Because transformed followers of Jesus transform the world around them. 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Marriage, Ministry, and the Power of a Shared Calling - Part 2 (with Melissa Wayne)

In this episode of the Be The Church Podcast, Pastor Luke Bilberry sits down with Melissa Wayne for an honest and encouraging conversation about faith, business, marriage, leadership, and raising a family while staying centered on Christ. Melissa shares her journey from working in marketing and corporate business to becoming a business owner, consultant, COO, and licensed residential builder — all while serving alongside her husband in ministry and raising four kids. Together, they unpack the tension of balancing calling, work, and family life, what it means to lead with humility and servant-heartedness, and how faith shapes the way we navigate pressure, leadership, and success. They also discuss the importance of intentional living, creating margin for spiritual conversations at home, leading in high-pressure environments without chaos, and why “faithfulness is the reward” in both ministry and the marketplace. Whether you’re leading a business, serving in ministry, raising a family, or simply trying to follow Jesus faithfully in a busy world, this episode will encourage you to trust God’s plan, steward your gifts well, and live with purpose wherever He has placed you. In this episode, you’ll learn: *  How to follow Jesus faithfully in the marketplace  *  Why servant leadership matters in business and ministry  *  How Melissa balances leadership, family, and faith  *  What it looks like to lead with peace instead of chaos  *  Why intentionality is essential in parenting and marriage  *  How to trust God when your plans and dreams change  *  The importance of building margin for spiritual conversations  *  Why faithfulness matters more than platform or success  *  How to navigate pressure and responsibility with a biblical perspective  *  What it means to use your gifts and career for the Kingdom of God Get each episode to your inbox -> https://bethechurch.org/podcast/ [https://bethechurch.org/podcast/] Leave a Review and Subscribe * Spotify [https://open.spotify.com/show/1lB8pnN6bhexbvj5KRGTRq] * Apple Podcasts [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/be-the-church-with-joel-wayne/id1845408311] * YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/@BeTheChurchMI] Connect With Us * Website: https://bethechurch.org/ [https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbGVpUEJxMnM4ZFdZR2Z3QUxhQjhFc2paYXJRQXxBQ3Jtc0ttYkxmYUlhaHpzandSNThXUEoyT2YxQ3o4M3ZqejZGdERCSFNLUFJGUEU0VFdXMW44WXFLbWxWbTBZbU1DWGFaRGIydWczaG5DSnlhVlc0cHZlei02UGNvR3JuZHVVdTJnY3lqS3ZQQk12bmZBY3dZOA&q=https%3A%2F%2Fbethechurch.org%2F&v=JX0e5yF_sM8] * Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bethechurchmi/ [https://www.instagram.com/bethechurchmi/] * YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BeTheChurchMI [https://www.youtube.com/@BeTheChurchMI]

Marriage, Ministry, and the Power of a Shared Calling - Part 1 (with Melissa Wayne)

In this episode of the Be The Church Podcast, Pastor Luke Bilberry sits down with Pastor Joel Wayne and his wife, Melissa Wayne, for an honest, heartfelt conversation about marriage, ministry, sacrifice, and the refining work of God through every season of life. Together, they unpack the realities of serving in ministry as a married couple—from criticism, unmet expectations, and difficult transitions to the beauty of shared calling, mutual encouragement, and spiritual growth through surrender. Melissa shares candidly about stepping outside her comfort zone, navigating seasons of brokenness, and learning to embrace God’s plan even when it looked far different than what she imagined for her life. From the challenges of being a pastor’s wife to the importance of speaking life into your spouse, this episode offers practical wisdom and gospel-centered encouragement for couples, parents, ministry leaders, and anyone seeking to faithfully follow Jesus in the everyday moments of life. What you’ll learn: *  Why a shared calling is essential for navigating marriage and ministry together  *  How criticism, preferences, and expectations can challenge ministry families  *  The importance of prioritizing Christ, marriage, and family in the right order  *  What it looks like to move from striving for self to fully relying on Christ  *  How God uses hard seasons, transitions, and brokenness to refine and strengthen us  *  Why words of encouragement and affirmation deeply matter in marriage  *  How healthy marriages sharpen, strengthen, and sanctify both spouses  *  Practical encouragement for young moms and wives navigating exhausting seasons  *  Why obedience often requires stepping outside your comfort zone  *  The danger of prioritizing success, ministry, or achievement over serving your spouse  *  How surrender and faithfulness can lead to lasting spiritual impact and transformation  *  Why embracing the season God has you in can change everything Get each episode to your inbox -> https://bethechurch.org/podcast/ [https://bethechurch.org/podcast/] Leave a Review and Subscribe * Spotify [https://open.spotify.com/show/1lB8pnN6bhexbvj5KRGTRq] * Apple Podcasts [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/be-the-church-with-joel-wayne/id1845408311] * YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/@BeTheChurchMI] Connect With Us * Website: https://bethechurch.org/ [https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbGVpUEJxMnM4ZFdZR2Z3QUxhQjhFc2paYXJRQXxBQ3Jtc0ttYkxmYUlhaHpzandSNThXUEoyT2YxQ3o4M3ZqejZGdERCSFNLUFJGUEU0VFdXMW44WXFLbWxWbTBZbU1DWGFaRGIydWczaG5DSnlhVlc0cHZlei02UGNvR3JuZHVVdTJnY3lqS3ZQQk12bmZBY3dZOA&q=https%3A%2F%2Fbethechurch.org%2F&v=JX0e5yF_sM8] * Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bethechurchmi/ [https://www.instagram.com/bethechurchmi/] * YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BeTheChurchMI [https://www.youtube.com/@BeTheChurchMI]

Leading Through Crisis: How to Stay Faithful When Life Gets Hard

In this episode of the Be The Church Podcast, Pastor Luke Bilberry sits down with Pastor Joel for an honest, Scripture-rooted conversation on what it means to lead through hardship, crisis, and seasons of deep difficulty without losing sight of Jesus. Together, they unpack how spiritual leaders can navigate suffering with integrity, gratitude, and a deep dependence on God rather than falling into self-reliance, distraction, or the pressure to “fix” everything themselves. Through personal stories, biblical wisdom, and practical leadership insights, they explore how hardship often exposes the true condition of our hearts—and how God uses those moments to shape us into faithful leaders. From battling cynicism and unhealthy coping mechanisms to learning the difference between building something and simply being with Jesus, this episode challenges listeners to pursue spiritual leadership rooted in abiding with Christ, not performance or control. What you’ll learn: *  Why trials and hardship are unavoidable parts of spiritual leadership  *  How “keeping yourself clean” spiritually prepares you to endure difficult seasons  *  The danger of treating symptoms instead of addressing root heart issues  *  Why staying focused on Jesus changes how you navigate crisis and conflict  *  The connection between gratitude and spiritual health during suffering  *  How grumbling, bitterness, and cynicism quietly erode spiritual leadership  *  Why many leaders idolize fixing problems—and how surrender changes everything  *  The difference between building something for God and simply being with Him  *  How authentic community and friendship help leaders endure hardship faithfully  *  Why spiritual leadership was never meant to be carried alone  *  Practical ways to lead through crisis with integrity, humility, and dependence on Christ  *  How getting a clearer view of Jesus transforms your perspective in hard seasons Get each episode to your inbox -> https://bethechurch.org/podcast/ [https://bethechurch.org/podcast/] Leave a Review and Subscribe * Spotify [https://open.spotify.com/show/1lB8pnN6bhexbvj5KRGTRq] * Apple Podcasts [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/be-the-church-with-joel-wayne/id1845408311] * YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/@BeTheChurchMI] Connect With Us * Website: https://bethechurch.org/ [https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbGVpUEJxMnM4ZFdZR2Z3QUxhQjhFc2paYXJRQXxBQ3Jtc0ttYkxmYUlhaHpzandSNThXUEoyT2YxQ3o4M3ZqejZGdERCSFNLUFJGUEU0VFdXMW44WXFLbWxWbTBZbU1DWGFaRGIydWczaG5DSnlhVlc0cHZlei02UGNvR3JuZHVVdTJnY3lqS3ZQQk12bmZBY3dZOA&q=https%3A%2F%2Fbethechurch.org%2F&v=JX0e5yF_sM8] * Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bethechurchmi/ [https://www.instagram.com/bethechurchmi/] * YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BeTheChurchMI [https://www.youtube.com/@BeTheChurchMI]

The Cost of Distraction: Living a Disciplined Life in a Distracted World (with Tyler Perrott)

In this episode of the Be The Church Podcast, Pastor Luke Bilberry sits down with Pastor Tyler Perrott and Pastor Joel for a practical, Scripture-rooted conversation on discipline, distraction, and what it really means to live a spiritually focused life in a distracted world. Together, they unpack how modern technology and constant urgency are quietly shaping us into spiritually fragmented people, why discipline often drifts from faithfulness into control, and how true discipleship is built through intentional, relational investment with God and others. From the tension between physical and spiritual discipline to the everyday challenge of leading our families well, this episode calls leaders to move beyond information and into transformation—choosing presence over distraction and surrender over control. What you’ll learn: * Why distraction is one of the greatest barriers to spiritual growth today * How discipline can shift from self-control to unhealthy control—and how to correct it * Why relationships (with God and others) are at the center of true discipleship * The connection between distraction, lack of discipline, and feeling like you don’t have enough time * How to pursue spiritual discipline without falling into perfectionism or performance * Practical ways to lead your family with intentional, consistent spiritual investment * Why progress—not perfection—is the goal of a faithful, disciplined life * How surrender, not control, leads to bold faith and lasting transformation Get each episode to your inbox -> https://bethechurch.org/podcast/ [https://bethechurch.org/podcast/] Leave a Review and Subscribe * Spotify [https://open.spotify.com/show/1lB8pnN6bhexbvj5KRGTRq] * Apple Podcasts [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/be-the-church-with-joel-wayne/id1845408311] * YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/@BeTheChurchMI] Connect With Us * Website: https://bethechurch.org/ [https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbGVpUEJxMnM4ZFdZR2Z3QUxhQjhFc2paYXJRQXxBQ3Jtc0ttYkxmYUlhaHpzandSNThXUEoyT2YxQ3o4M3ZqejZGdERCSFNLUFJGUEU0VFdXMW44WXFLbWxWbTBZbU1DWGFaRGIydWczaG5DSnlhVlc0cHZlei02UGNvR3JuZHVVdTJnY3lqS3ZQQk12bmZBY3dZOA&q=https%3A%2F%2Fbethechurch.org%2F&v=JX0e5yF_sM8] * Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bethechurchmi/ [https://www.instagram.com/bethechurchmi/] * YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BeTheChurchMI [https://www.youtube.com/@BeTheChurchMI]