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Your AI tools are not staying in the “chat window.” They are learning your habits, pulling in context, and starting to take action and that is where productivity can quietly turn into risk. We talk with cybersecurity and compliance leader Matt Lee (Pax8) about the evolution from ChatGPT-style assistants to agentic AI and AI agents that can operate like a coworker with credentials, tools, and autonomy. We dig into real-world examples from the new wave of open source agent frameworks (including OpenClaw, often remembered as Moltbot) and why “emergent behavior” matters when software can build the next tool it needs. From OSINT (Open Source Intelligence) driven identity discovery to automation that can delete or change data faster than a human can react, the biggest lesson is that harm is not always caused by a hacker with ransomware. Sometimes it is your own agent doing exactly what it thought you meant. From there, we get practical: AI governance, approved AI tool lists, data classification and sensitivity labels, and why identity and access management breaks down when bots act “as you” via shared tokens and delegated OAuth. Matt also maps Zero Trust principles into the AI agent world, including least privilege, just-in-time access, human-in-the-loop approvals, and the “rule of two” for systems that can interact with the public, touch sensitive data, and change state. Because in an AI-powered workplace, the question is no longer “Can AI help you?” It’s “What permissions should it never have?” --- More about Matt: https://cybermattlee.com/ More about Cyber RISE: https://cyberrise.org/ More about Pax8: https://www.pax8.com/en-us/ More about Acronis: https://www.acronis.com/en/ The Beyond the Firewall podcast features discussions with technology leaders and practitioners who provide valuable insights into today’s IT and business challenges. Follow the podcast to stay updated on new episodes, and watch full episodes and video highlights on YouTube. To learn more about HUB Tech and the services that support IT modernization, visit the HUB Tech website at https://hubtech.com/.
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