Ep 38 - Governance Without Enforcement Is Theater and Shadow AI Knows It

Ep 40 - GitHub Breach, Open Source Malware, Dev Machine Gold Mines ft. Paul McCarty and Jenn Gile

🎙️ Coffee, Chaos and ProdSec [https://linktr.ee/coffeechaosprodsec], Ep 40 Less than 5% of CVEs are actually exploitable. One hundred percent of malicious packages are bad by design. So why is your entire AppSec budget chasing the first problem? This week Cameron [https://www.linkedin.com/in/cameronww7]and Kurt [https://www.linkedin.com/in/kurthendle] bring on Paul McCarty and Jenn Gile, co-founders of OpenSourceMalware, to break down why the open source malware problem is structurally different from vulnerability management, why your EDR and SCA tooling weren't built for it, and why 78% of what OSM tracks has zero attribution because most threat actors aren't TeamPCP screaming for clout. They're quiet, they're patient, and they're already on your developer machines. From AI slop squatting and four to five net new info stealers per day, to credential-stuffed dev machines, non-deterministic agents bypassing guardrails, and DPRK making $2 billion while everyone watches TeamPCP, this one covers the threat class that most programs still don't have a budget line for. If you work in AppSec, DevSecOps, or Product Security and your malware response plan is "covered by SCA," this episode is going to be uncomfortable. ☕ New episodes every Wednesday. Coffee, Chaos and ProdSec -> strong coffee, stronger opinions.

Ep 39 - Governing AI Agents and NHIs - Identity Is the Control Plane Full Stop

🎙️ Coffee, Chaos and ProdSec [https://linktr.ee/coffeechaosprodsec], Ep 39 AI agents are in production. They have access. They're taking actions. And almost none of them have an owner. This week Cameron [https://www.linkedin.com/in/cameronww7]and Kurt [https://www.linkedin.com/in/kurthendle]come off a multi-day identity summit with a take they're both confident in: the industry is reaching for gateways, firewalls, and legacy IGA platforms to solve an AI security problem that is fundamentally an identity problem. None of those tools were built for agents and slapping an AI badge on them does not change that. From the three identity types debate that nobody has settled, to why access certification is a group therapy session waiting to happen, to why AI gateways are just firewalls with better marketing, this episode covers what identity governance for AI actually looks like when you strip out the vendor noise. If you work in Cybersecurity, Product Security, Application Security, or DevSecOps and you have ever nodded along when someone said guardrails without knowing what they meant, this one is for you. ☕ New episodes every Wednesday. Coffee, Chaos and ProdSec -> strong coffee, stronger opinions.

Ep 38 - Governance Without Enforcement Is Theater and Shadow AI Knows It

🎙️ Coffee, Chaos and ProdSec [https://linktr.ee/coffeechaosprodsec], Ep 38 Your org told everyone to use AI. The budget ran out. Someone found a better free tool. Boom, shadow AI just happened. This week Cameron [https://www.linkedin.com/in/cameronww7]and Kurt [https://www.linkedin.com/in/kurthendle] record on four hours of sleep fresh off two days in Austin talking AI and identity with practitioners, and somehow that makes this episode better. They get into where shadow AI actually lives across the corporate surface and the SDLC, what you can detect today with EDR, SIEM, SASE, and a GitHub search bar, and where current detection completely falls apart. From AISPM getting called out as a category that overpromises, to live threat modeling on how a developer could run a local model cluster at home and stay invisible to every control your team has, to why governance without enforcement is just theater with better fonts, this one is honest about what security teams can and cannot see right now. If you work in AppSec, DevSecOps, or Security Architecture and have ever written an AI acceptable use policy without knowing what AI your org actually uses, this one is for you. ☕ New episodes every Wednesday. Coffee, Chaos and ProdSec -> strong coffee, stronger opinions.

Ep 37 - Scattered Spider Called Your Help Desk and Your TPRM Annual Review Missed It

🎙️ Coffee, Chaos and ProdSec [https://linktr.ee/coffeechaosprodsec], Ep 37 Your vendor filled out the questionnaire. They have a SOC 2. And they just got you popped. This week Cameron [https://www.linkedin.com/in/cameronww7]and Kurt [https://www.linkedin.com/in/kurthendle]get into the third-party risk management conversation that the industry keeps avoiding. Not the checkbox version, the one where Scattered Spider is social engineering your managed service provider's help desk and you're finding out about it from a news alert. They cover why SOC 2 is a report and not a certification, why vendor management and TPRM are two completely different functions that most companies let collapse into one spreadsheet, why open source dependencies are third-party risk that nobody owns, and what continuous monitoring actually looks like when you stop pretending an annual audit is a security control. Plus the Delve incident, goblins in AI training data, and Kurt reading the scope statement while Cameron does the actual research. If you work in Product Security, Application Security, DevSecOps, or GRC and you have ever accepted a SOC 2 Type 1 as proof that someone takes security seriously, this one is for you. ☕ New episodes every Wednesday. Coffee, Chaos and ProdSec -> strong coffee, stronger opinions.

Ep 36 - Stop Blaming Mythos - The Defender Playbook Was Already Overdue

🎙️ Coffee, Chaos and ProdSec, Ep 36 Your risk model is lying to you. Not maliciously. Just quietly, using assumptions that stopped being accurate before Mythos ever made the news. This week Cameron and Kurt get into the part nobody wants to say out loud: the AI threat acceleration has been building for over a year and most Application Security and Product Security programs are still running the old playbook. Pipelines shipping code faster than anyone's reviewing it, agents deployed like they're Slack bots, CVE feeds that can't keep pace with what AI is finding, and security teams absorbing a workload that was never designed for this environment. From VulnOps as a permanent function to the 10 questions that tell you whether your program can actually execute, to burnout as a real operational risk and not an HR checkbox, this one is built for the practitioner who needs actions not another threat briefing. If you're in DevSecOps, Cybersecurity, or Security Architecture and your Monday morning plan is still "check the queue," this episode is the intervention. ☕ New episodes every Wednesday. Coffee, Chaos and ProdSec -> strong coffee, stronger opinions.