Ep 127 - The Magic is in the Pivot

Ep 128 - Brian Spahr - Writing 59 Songs in a Year: Brian’s Return to Songwriting

(The audio ended abruptly on this episode but we are posting what we have - please check out Brian's music - he is amazing!!)Dawn and Ruth open the Created Creative podcast by celebrating Ruth’s birthday, discussing Memorial Day and a graveside service involving ashes finally buried after 12 years, then Dawn shares attending a live meeting about a world-schooling organization offering furnished apartments, Finnish-system schooling, and community in multiple countries on three-month cycles. They introduce an interview with Brian, a singer-songwriter, author, and chaplain in Fort Wayne, Indiana, whom they know from Youth Encounter. Brian describes starting songwriting in college, releasing CDs, then taking a 20-year break due to life demands and discouragement, before returning during COVID after mentoring a young songwriter and joining an online workshop. He built a practice of writing and publicly posting a completed song every Monday, producing 59 songs in a year, refining his lyric-focused storytelling voice; one song, “Threadbare,” was published in American Songwriter. He now prioritizes relational engagement over chasing streams while preparing an EP. Join Created Creative Podcast's Patreon: patreon.com/u11072417 [patreon.com/u11072417] Learn more about Brian Spahr's music: https://brianspahrmusic.com/home [https://brianspahrmusic.com/home] Here is the link to the crowdfunding page https://threadbarecreative.com/welcome-to-struggleville-junction [https://threadbarecreative.com/welcome-to-struggleville-junction] And here is the playlist of "Threadbare Songs" https://untitled.stream/library/project/zL0z4lXtFXsrf03Aguv3P [https://untitled.stream/library/project/zL0z4lXtFXsrf03Aguv3P] 00:00 Songwriting Rhythm Breakthrough 00:21 Birthday Banter and Holidays 00:50 Memorial Day and Veterans 01:17 Twelve Year Ashes Story 03:01 Spain Update and Worldschooling Pitch 04:12 Choosing Countries and Timing 05:56 Closed System Schooling Explained 06:46 Introducing Brian Interview 07:13 Brian in Fort Wayne 07:42 Wildwood Studio in Brooklyn 08:29 Pastor to Chaplain Career Path 09:06 Youth Encounter Team Days 09:52 Catching Up With Tammy 10:21 Songwriting Origins 11:09 Music Industry Shifts 12:00 Why He Stopped Writing 13:02 COVID Spark Returns 14:55 Monday Song Challenge 16:54 Finding His Voice 19:51 Validation Versus Streams 21:28 Relational Music Making 22:53 Making Time To Create 23:50 Advice For The Hiatus 24:48 Closing Thanks And Links

Ep 127 - The Magic is in the Pivot

Dawn and Ruth are shifting Created Creative to every other week episodes. Why? Running a top 5% podcast (yes, our humble little podcast is in the top 5% in the world) comes with an admin and editing load that’s getting heavy, and they need help. They're asking listeners to join their Patreon to help hire support and keep the show ad-free. In return, patrons get to join monthly "Created Creative Conversations" for community and coaching. They explore why people pay to belong to communities like NPR, churches, and yoga studios, while acknowledging how weird it feels to ask for support for less tangible creative work. But here's the core message: Creative projects are allowed to change. Rigid rules choke creativity, and "the magic is in the pivot"—as long as you communicate openly instead of just quitting. Dawn and Ruth model this beautifully, sharing life updates that show them both pivoting: funerals and sermon writing, painting projects, planning for Spain, and decluttering goals. This episode is for anyone who's felt guilty about changing direction on a creative project, or who thinks pivoting means failure. It doesn't. Sometimes the magic happens precisely when you're brave enough to adjust course and keep going, don't cha know. Because the opposite of quitting isn't sticking rigidly to the original plan—it's staying curious enough to let your project evolve. LINKS: Join our Patreon: patreon.com/u11072417 00:00 Magic In The Pivot 00:21 Why We Need Patreon 01:14 Community Membership Mindset 02:24 Patron Perks And Coaching 03:49 Changing The Rules 05:23 Life Updates And Sermons 07:31 NYC Plans And Kid Crafts 09:09 Decluttering Ten Percent 11:03 Asking For Support Feels Weird 12:02 Pivot Advice And Wrap Up

Ep 126 - Thomas Maltman on Making Stories Real

What do you do when you have no ashes the night before Ash Wednesday? You burn something, of course. And then twenty years later, you write a novel about it. That's exactly what happened to novelist Thomas Maltman, who teaches at Normandale Community College, is married to a Lutheran pastor, and has four novels under his belt, including Ashes to Ashes (currently in Minnesota Book Award contention). The real-life Ash Wednesday mishap became the premise for his latest book: What if the ashes wouldn't wash away? What if this happened in a small town? How would people react? That's how you turn an awkward church moment into compelling fiction. Dawn and Ruth also dive into Thomas's writing process. He shares his morning routine, drafting by hand with full permission to "write badly," then revising through typing, printing, and reading everything aloud. He talks about the value of writing community, headphones, and why you should always start new projects during those long publishing waits. This episode is for writers, obviously, but also for anyone who's ever wondered how real life becomes story. Because sometimes the best fiction starts with the moments that make you think "you can't make this stuff up." LINKS: Join our Creative Community and support this podcast by joining our Patreon: patreon.com/u11072417 [patreon.com/u11072417] 00:21 Springtime City Vibes 01:15 Confirmation Walk Treats 02:12 Botanic Garden Learning 02:59 Meet Thomas Maltman 04:56 Ashes to Ashes Origin 09:22 Writing in the Morning 10:23 Publishing Without an Agent 12:09 Writing Anywhere Tools 14:14 Finding Readers Today 17:29 Long Form Comeback 17:52 Start Small Write Rough 18:46 From Journal To Draft 20:39 Living In Story Worlds 23:21 Embodiment And Truth 24:50 Writing For Love Not Money 26:48 Favorite Creators And Community 27:58 Fantasy Roadblocks Coaching 29:56 Find Your Genre Audience 32:02 Gargoyles To Novellas

Ep 125 - Creativity, Faith, and Early Brain Development with Dawn Rundman

Dawn and Ruth welcome Dawn Rundman, a publishing professional at Augsburg Fortress since 2002 who also happens to have a PhD in developmental psychology. Her book Little Steps, Big Faith dives into using what we know about early childhood development to nurture children's faith through rituals, language, music, symbols, and worship. Dawn's suggestions for churches are practical and brilliant: upgrade those sad nurseries, provide higher-quality worship activity bags (not just broken crayons and photocopied sheets), create intergenerational making opportunities, and actually showcase children's art instead of hiding it away. Dawn also talks about creativity and discipline: how she leaves home to write because inspiration isn't enough, you need structure. She connects creativity and spirituality through communal worship traditions, showing how the practices that shape little brains also shape our own capacity for wonder and connection. This episode is for parents, church leaders, anyone who works with children, or anyone who's ever wondered why some environments nurture creativity while others shut it down. Because luck might be the residue of design, but good design starts with understanding how humans actually develop and thrive. LINKS: learn more about Dawn Rundman's work: https://www.dawnrundman.com/ [https://www.dawnrundman.com/] Join our Patreon community: patreon.com/u11072417 [patreon.com/u11072417] 00:17 Welcome And Weekly Catchup 00:57 Yacht Rock Flashbacks 02:03 Discern By Doing Business 03:50 Patreon Community Momentum 04:51 Meet Dawn Rudman 08:23 Little Steps Big Faith 10:28 Screens Boredom And Faith 11:53 How Creativity Begins 16:24 Church Spaces For Kids 18:41 Kids Art On Display 19:18 Beyond Art Creativity 20:21 Adults Need Permission 21:20 Small Steps To Start 23:02 Creative Inspirations 27:48 Life At Augsburg Fortress 29:24 Coaching A Team Well 32:35 Discipline Beats Inspiration 34:15 Writing Space And Routine 35:34 Creativity And Spirituality

Ep 124 - Creativity Grows Best in Good Soil

Dawn and Ruth are celebrating Easter and swapping stories about Holy Week weather, canceled egg hunts, and Dawn's experience dyeing eggs at a New York community garden that sounds like the perfect "third space,” complete with potlucks, music, and the kind of welcoming energy that makes you want to stay all day. They're also reintroducing their new Patreon "Created Creative Conversations," themed around "seeds,” because that's how creative ideas actually work. They need nurturing, community, and the right conditions to grow. Join them for $10/month through the show notes. But the real magic happens when they share clips from past guests about how creativity actually emerges: Rob Bell describes novel-writing as this beautiful mix of loose direction and surprise—completely different from teaching, where you know where you're headed. Blessing talks about her "Sparkle Joy in New York City" microgrants, funded by leftover "Christmas Joy" money to spark neighborhood projects. Because sometimes the best ideas come from reimagining what you already have. Tyra explains how songs emerge while she's practicing—they require quiet focus and the willingness to let something unexpected unfold. Cathy Pino shares the story of writing "You are the Light of the World" at a stoplight and how community made it something that gets sung widely. Because creativity isn't just about the spark—it's about the people who help it grow. This episode is for anyone who's ever wondered how ideas actually turn into something real, or who needs reminding that creativity thrives in community, not isolation. LINKS: Join our Patreon here: patreon.com/u11072417 00:09 Holy Week Weather 01:10 Community Garden Eggs 02:23 Egg Hunt Traditions 03:11 Joining the Garden 05:04 Seeds Theme Patreon 06:46 Rob Bell Writing Flow 10:37 Blessing Microgrants Joy 12:04 Bubbles And Community Pins 12:40 Scaling Micro Grants Citywide 13:13 Funding From Christmas Joy 13:53 Small Money Big Impact 14:48 Songwriting With Tyra 15:33 Tyra Creative Process Deep Dive 21:44 Kathy Pinot Light Of World 25:18 Themes Beginnings And Patreon