Reading the Book of Exodus Carnally vs Spiritually Ep 23

Reading the Book of Numbers Carnally vs Spiritually Ep 25

Charlie and Charly continue the journey through the King James Bible, turning our focus to the Book of Numbers, a powerful, most misunderstood, and often overlooked account of Israel’s time in the wilderness. Known in Hebrew as “In the Wilderness,” the Book of Numbers traces Israel’s 40‑year journey from Mount Sinai to the edge of the Promised Land. Carnally, it is understood as a historical record of preparation, rebellion, discipline, and God’s faithfulness. But what happens when these same events are read through a spiritual, symbolic, inward lens? In this episode, Numbers is explored through two perspectives: the traditional, literal interpretation commonly taught in modern religion, and the symbolic interpretation inspired by Tyler Doka’s New Jerusalem teachings. Using full verses from the King James Bible, Charlie and Charly walk through the major moments of the book, including: The census and organization of the camp The early complaints and rebellion in the wilderness The twelve spies and the refusal to enter the Promised Land Korah’s rebellion Moses and the water from the rock The bronze serpent and healing Balaam and the talking donkey The preparation of a new generation Each story is examined side‑by‑side, revealing how the meaning shifts depending on the lens used. In a carnal traditional view, these events describe a nation’s physical journey through a desert. In a spiritual and symbolic reading, the wilderness becomes a representation of the human mind, moving through confusion, resistance, correction, and transformation. What does it mean to “wander in the wilderness”? Are rebellion and judgment external events—or inner struggles? Is the Promised Land a physical destination—or a state of understanding? Rather than arguing for one view over the other, this episode invites listeners to see how interpretation shapes meaning, and how the same text can point either outward to history—or inward to transformation. Ultimately, this episode raises a deeper question: Is the Book of Numbers a story about a people wandering through the desert… or a reflection of what it means to navigate the wilderness within? This episode invites listeners to see how the lens of interpretation shapes meaning. The same words describe an external religious carnal system or reveal a spiritual symbolic map of inner transformation. Citations New Jerusalem by Tyler Doka https://archive.org/details/new-jerusalem-by-tyler-doka⁠ King James Bible ⁠https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/

Reading the Book of Leviticus Carnally vs. Spiritually Ep 24

Charlie and Charly continue their series through the King James Bible with one of the most challenging and often misunderstood books, the Book of Leviticus. In this episode, we explore Leviticus through two very different lenses: the traditional way it is taught in modern churches, versus the symbolic, inward interpretation presented in Tyler Doka’s New Jerusalem teachings. Commonly, Leviticus is understood as a detailed system of laws, covering sacrifices, priesthood, cleanliness, sin, and atonement. It’s often read as a historical guide to how ancient Israel was instructed to worship and live. But what happens when these same passages are read spiritually instead of literally? Using full quotations from the King James Bible, this episode examines key sections including: * The system of sacrifices * The role of the priests * Clean vs. unclean laws * Sin and atonement * The Day of Atonement * The call to holiness We explore each passage from both perspectives, first as an external system of rituals and rules, and then as a spiritual and symbolic representation of inner transformation, awareness, and alignment with truth. What do sacrifices really represent? What does it mean to be “unclean”? Is atonement something done externally, or experienced internally? This episode invites listeners to see how interpretation shapes meaning, and how the same text can point in very different directions depending on the lens used. Ultimately, this conversation raises a deeper question: Is Leviticus a manual for ancient religious practice… or a symbolic map of how the mind is refined, purified, and brought into alignment? Citations New Jerusalem by Tyler Doka https://archive.org/details/new-jerusalem-by-tyler-doka [https://archive.org/details/new-jerusalem-by-tyler-doka]⁠BOOK OF LEVITICUS KJV https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Leviticus-Chapter-1/ [https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Leviticus-Chapter-1/]

Reading the Book of Exodus Carnally vs Spiritually Ep 23

We continue our series through the King James Bible by turning our focus to the Book of Exodus, a powerful and widely recognized story of bondage, deliverance, and divine law. In this episode, Exodus is explored through two distinct lenses: the traditional understanding typically taught in modern churches,  and even by modern social media influencers, versus the spiritual and symbolic, inward interpretation presented in Tyler Doka’s teachings from New Jerusalem. Traditionally, Exodus is viewed as a historical account of the Israelites’ enslavement in Egypt, God’s intervention through Moses, the plagues, the miraculous escape, and the establishment of divine law. But what if this story is not only about events that happened long ago? Through a symbolic reading, Exodus takes on a deeper dimension, one that reflects the internal human experience. Egypt becomes a state of bondage, Pharaoh represents resistance and control, and the journey out of Egypt becomes a picture of inner transformation and awakening. Using full quotations from the King James Bible, this episode examines key moments including: The bondage in Egypt The burning bush and the revelation of “I AM” The plagues and confrontation with Pharaoh The Passover and deliverance The crossing of the Red Sea The wilderness journey The giving of the law The construction of the tabernacle Each passage is explored side‑by‑side, showing how meaning shifts depending on whether the text is read outwardly as history or inwardly as a symbolic reflection of the mind. Throughout the discussion, themes like bondage and freedom, fear and trust, resistance and surrender, and law versus transformation come into focus, revealing two very different ways of understanding the same words. This episode doesn’t ask you to choose a side, it invites you to see more clearly. Is Exodus simply the story of a people leaving Egypt… or is it also the story of what it means for you to move from inner bondage into freedom? Citations New Jerusalem by Tyler Doka https://archive.org/details/new-jerusalem-by-tyler-doka⁠ [https://archive.org/details/new-jerusalem-by-tyler-doka⁠] King James Bible ⁠https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/ [⁠https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/]

Reading the Book of Genesis Carnally vs. Spiritually Ep 22

Charlie and Charly have explored Tyler Doka's teachings in previous episodes, but in this newest series, we will go over each Book in the King James Bible. In this episode we begin with the Book of Genesis through two very different lenses: the way it is commonly taught in modern churches (carnally), and the symbolic, inward interpretation presented in Tyler Doka’s teachings from New Jerusalem (spiritually). Rather than arguing for one perspective over the other, this conversation is designed to compare how the text changes depending on how it is read, whether through a literal, a carnal outward framework or a symbolic, spiritual one. As it is written: “Who also hath made us able ministers of the New Testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.” — 2 Corinthians 3:6 Using direct quotations from Genesis, including the creation story, the Garden of Eden, the fall, Cain and Abel, the flood, and the lives of the patriarchs, we explore how each passage can be understood carnally and spiritually. What does “Let there be light” mean? Is the Garden of Eden a historical place, or a state of inner awareness? Are life, death, exile, and restoration external events, or descriptions of the human experience? Throughout this episode, we highlight recurring themes and show how they function differently across these two frameworks. In traditional religious teaching, these ideas are often tied to historical events and future outcomes. In a symbolic reading, they point inward, toward present awareness, transformation, and understanding. This episode invites you to step back, examine the text closely, and consider a deeper question: Is Genesis telling the story of the world’s beginning… or the story of what happens within us? Citations New Jerusalem by Tyler Doka https://archive.org/details/new-jerusalem-by-tyler-doka [https://archive.org/details/new-jerusalem-by-tyler-doka]⁠ King James Bible ⁠https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/ [https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/]

The Afterlife Misconception (retake) Ep 21

Note: Our first version didn't convey our original intent. We meant to look at the subject of the Afterlife taught by various religious teachings through the lens of Tyler Doka, so we decided to try this again. What if heaven and hell were never meant to be destinations after death, but descriptions of inner states in the present moment? In this episode, we take a deep, comparative look at how the Torah, the Bible, the Qur’an, Buddhism, and Confucian thought speak about life, death, judgment, heaven, and hell when read symbolically rather than literally. Using direct quotations from each tradition, we explore a shared pattern: language about the “afterlife” often points inward, toward consciousness, moral awareness, awakening, and transformation, not a post-mortem destination. We examine why the Torah largely avoids explicit afterlife teaching, how biblical resurrection and judgment language as present‑moment awakening, how Qur’anic imagery of the Garden and the Fire functions experientially, and how Buddhism and Confucius approach liberation and moral order without relying on post‑death promises at all. Rather than debating doctrine, this episode asks a more personal and practical question: If salvation, judgment, and eternal life are lived now, how should that change the way we live today? “For who is there of all flesh, that hath heard the voice of the living God speaking out of the midst of the fire, as we have, and lived?” - Deuteronomy 5:26- “Living” describes awakened responsiveness, not biological survival. * Resurrection = awakening from ignorance * Death = living under false belief / law / flesh * “Awake thou that sleepest” - Ephesians 5:14 * “And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;” - Ephesians 2:1 This conversation invites you to step out of darkness and reconsider everything you've been taught. The afterlife is actually a call to inner clarity, responsibility, and conscious living in the present moment. Citations New Jerusalem by Tyler Doka https://archive.org/details/new-jerusalem-by-tyler-doka⁠ [https://archive.org/details/new-jerusalem-by-tyler-doka] King James Bible ⁠https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/⁠ [https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/] THE SAYINGS OF CONFUCIUS⁠https://ia802901.us.archive.org/17/items/CHN2FamilyPlanningAndWelfare/Books/Confucius/The%20Sayings%20Of%20Confucius.pdf⁠ [https://ia802901.us.archive.org/17/items/CHN2FamilyPlanningAndWelfare/Books/Confucius/The%20Sayings%20Of%20Confucius.pdf]Torah ⁠https://chaver.com/torah.pdf⁠ [https://chaver.com/torah.pdf] The Qur'an⁠https://ia800501.us.archive.org/16/items/OxfordQuranTranslation/Oxford-Quran-Translation.pdf⁠ [https://ia800501.us.archive.org/16/items/OxfordQuranTranslation/Oxford-Quran-Translation.pdf] The Essential Teachings of Buddhism⁠https://ia802906.us.archive.org/24/items/EssentialTeachingsOfBuddhism/Essential%20Teachings%20of%20Buddhism.pdf [https://ia802906.us.archive.org/24/items/EssentialTeachingsOfBuddhism/Essential%20Teachings%20of%20Buddhism.pdf]