Pebbles on the Shore of Truth: A NASA Engineer on Faith and Wonder

The Party of Jesus: Faith, Politics, and the Courage to Stand Firm

Description In this episode, we sit down with Dr. Yang Shao, a Harvard-trained chemist, Fremont City Councilmember for District 4, and candidate for California State Assembly. Dr. Shao’s story is one of unexpected convergences — science and faith, research and public service, personal conviction and political cost — all held together by a deep trust that God calls us to steward our gifts for the good of others. Yang's path to faith began not in a church, but in the high-pressure world of a Nobel Prize winner's lab at Harvard, where he stumbled into a Chinese student Bible study group and experienced what he describes as nothing short of miracles. That encounter transformed how he understood his own work — and eventually drew him out of the lab and into public life altogether. Through smear campaigns and protests outside his home, his anchor has remained daily prayer, a fiercely supportive wife, and one conviction: that good policy is one of the most powerful ways to love your neighbor at scale. Whether you're wondering how your faith connects to your work, feeling a pull toward something beyond your comfort zone, or simply looking for an example of what it looks like to lead with integrity in a cynical world, Dr. Yang Shao's story is one you won't forget. Learn more about Yang Shao’s Candidacy for California State Assembly District 24: Yang Shao For State Assembly 2026 [https://electyangshao.com/] Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61586749055037 [https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61586749055037] Political Profile: Yang Shao - Ballotpedia [https://ballotpedia.org/Yang_Shao?utm_source=copilot.com] Government Profile: Mayor & City Council | City of Fremont, CA Official Website [https://www.fremont.gov/government/mayor-city-council?utm_source=copilot.com] Fremont California and Mission San Jose: Fremont, California - Wikipedia [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fremont,_California] California State Assembly: California State Assembly - Wikipedia [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_State_Assembly] Local Government: Local government - Wikipedia [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_government] Scripture IndexWe Are All SinnersRom 3:23We Need the Salvation of Jesus Christ Jn 3:16, Acts 4:12, Jn 14:6, Rom 6:23, Rom 10:9, Eph 2:8-9, 1 Timothy 2:5, Tit 3:5Healing the Community Isa 58:6-7People have Inherent Dignity Gen 1:27, Ps 139:14, Ps 8:4-5, Matt 10:31, Lk 12:7, Jer 1:5, Eph 2:10, Rom 5:8, Isa 43:4, Gal 3:28We Have Many Talents to Serve Others Matt 25:14-15, 1 Pet 4:10, Eph 2:10, Jas 1:17Being Salt and Light Matt 5:13-16, Phil 2:15, Eph 5:8, 2 Cor 4:6 Seek Peace and Prosperity of the City Jer 29:4-9 Jesus As an Example of Service Mark 10:45 Answering to God Rom 14:12, Heb 4:13, Matt 12:36 Prophecy Acts 2:17, Joel 2:28 Winning at the Cost of your Soul is not Winning Matt 16:26, Mark 8:36-37 Jesus is the Bread of Life Jn 6:48-51 Many Disciples Stopped Following Jesus Jn 6:66-67 God Looks to Faithful Stewards Lk 16:10-12, Matt 25:21, Lk 12:42-43, 1 Pet 4:10 Learn to Speak the Language of your Community 1 Cor 9:19-22 Importance of Mentors 1 Cor 11:1, Phil 4:9 You are Created by God Gen 1:27, Ps 139:13-14, Jer 1:5, Eph 2:10 We are Blessed by God Eph 1:3, Jas 1:17, Matt 5:3-6 We are Led by the Holy Spirit Rom 8:14, Jn 16:13, Gal 5:16, Gal 5:25 We Have a Divine Purpose Jer 29:11, Eph 2:10, Rom 8:28 Keeping Integrity 1 Chr 29:17, Tit 2:7-8, Prov 11:3, Prov 25:21, Prov 10:9 God Wants Us to Receive the Reward Matt 25:21, Rev 22:12, Heb 11:6, Jas 1:12 The Power of Prayer / Daily Quiet Time Mk 1:35, Lk 18:1, Phil 4:6-7, 1 Thess 5:17 Answered Prayer / Miracles Matt 7:7-8, Jn 14:13-14 Divine Healing Matt 8:16-17, 1 Pet 2:24, Jas 5:14-15 The Spouse as a Spiritual Partner / Anchor 1 Pet 3:7, Eph 5:25-28 Humility / Guarding Against Pride Lk 14:11, Phil 2:3-4, Jas 4:6, 1 Pet 5:5-6 Suffering / Persecution for Righteousness Matt 5:10-12, Acts 5:41, Rom 8:35-37, 1 Pet 3:14-17, 2 Tim3:12 Not Being a People-Pleaser Acts 5:29, Gal 1:10, Col 3:23-24, 1 Thess 2:4 Special Thanks: Paul Liu, our episode 4 guest, for introducing us to Dr. Shao. Check out our website and subscribe to our email list: https://deep-calls-to-deep.netlify.app/ [https://deep-calls-to-deep.netlify.app/]

Pebbles on the Shore of Truth: A NASA Engineer on Faith and Wonder

In this episode, we sit down with Paul Liu, a lead systemsengineer at NASA Ames Research Center and co-producer of the Full Gospel Time podcast. Paul's story is one of divine guidance through unexpected transitions—from two decades in the semiconductor industry to finding his calling among the hangars and runways of NASA, where he now works on federated airspace management for the future of autonomous flight. Paul opens up about his "wilderness season" afterlosing his management position during a corporate restructuring, and how that period became a catalyst for spiritual growth and self-discovery. His journey to NASA wasn't something he planned or even imagined—but the moment he walked onto that campus, he knew he belonged. Paul also discusses producing Full Gospel Time—a podcastreaching Mandarin-speaking Christians. Paul shares inspiring stories and biblical truths, reminding us that sometimes a single episode can bring hope to someone in their darkest season. Whether you're stuck in a job that feels meaningless, navigating a career transition, or simply trying to understand how your faith intersects with your work, Paul's story offers wisdom, encouragement, and a powerful reminder: God is leading us toward our destiny—not just our destination. More on Paul: - Full Gospel Time (全福時間) Podcast [https://fgbmfi-sv-media.my.canva.site] - Space Shuttle Image [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mht-rOr7wyLIFUC4aL2bdLnMHIBhxI79/view?usp=sharing] - Hangar Image [https://drive.google.com/file/d/13o4ZMJ4TBwtDvO1oNjJIISX19MufJt9i/view?usp=drive_link] Topics Covered: - Ames Research Center - NASA [https://www.nasa.gov/ames/] - Hangar One (Moffett Federal Airfield) - Wikipedia [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hangar_One_(Moffett_Federal_Airfield)] - Lockheed C-5 Galaxy - Wikipedia [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_C-5_Galaxy] - Federated Airspace Management [https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20210017616/downloads/20210017616_Rios_NARI-AAMWrkngGrp_presentation_final.pdf] Scripture Index: God’s Placement in Time and Location Acts 17:26-27, Jeremiah 29:11, Romans 8:28 Peace That Transcends Circumstances Philippians 4:6-7, John 14:27, Serving Others and Living Out Faith Helping the Least is Helping Jesus Matthew 25:40 Serving Others and Living Out Faith Colossians 3:23-24, Galatians 5:13 Gifts, Talents, Missions, and Destiny 1 Peter 4:10, Ephesians 2:10, Romans 12:6-8, Matthew 25:14-30, Psalm 138:8, Proverbs 19:21, Philippians 2:13 The Body of Christ 1 Corinthians 12:12-27, Ephesians 4:14-16 Christ is the Head of the Church Ephesians 4:15 Spreading the Gospel Isaiah 52:7, Romans 10:14-15 God’s Word Will Not Return Void  Isaiah 55:11 Childlike Wonder and Humility Matthew 18:3-4, Psalm 8:3-4 Faithfulness in Difficult Seasons James 1:2-4, 2 Corinthians 4:17-18, Book of Job Journey Over Destination Philippians 3:13-14, Hebrews 12:1-2 Learning and Continual Growth Proverbs 1:5, Proverbs 18:15, 2 Peter 3:18, Proverbs 4:7 Mentorship and Discipleship Proverbs 27:17, 2 Timothy 2:2, Titus 2:7-8 Genuine Care and Love for Others 1 Thessalonians 2:8, Philippians 2:3-4, 1 John 3:18, John13:34-35 Planting Seeds of Faith and Harvesting 1 Corinthians 3:6-7, Mark 4:26-27 Grief, Loss, and God’s Comfort Psalm 34:18, Matthew 5:4, 2 Corinthians 1:3-4 Legacy and Family Heritage 2 Timothy 1:5 Patience and Waiting on God’s Timing Psalm 27:14, Isaiah 40:31, Ecclesiastes 3:1 Avoiding Recklessness While Trusting God Proverbs 19:2, Proverbs 21:5, James 1:5 Work as Worship 1 Corinthians 10:31, Ecclesiastes 9:10, Colossians 3:23 Resilience and Coming Back from Setbacks Proverbs 24:16, Micah 7:8 Speaking Truth at the Right Time Proverbs 25:11, Colossians 4:6 God’s Sovereignty Colossians 1:16, Psalm 24:1, Daniel 4:35, Isaiah 46:9-10,Job 42:2 Be Genuine Romans 12:9-10 Know Yourself Psalm 139:23-24 Be Born Again John 3:5-7, John 3:3 Special Thanks: Ray, Isaac’s Brother in Christ Email List: Subscribe to our email list by clicking here [https://deep-calls-to-deep-podcast.kit.com/3c1ea7b87a]! Note: Emails may go to your Spam folder. Comments/Feedback: Leave a comment or email us at deepcalls2deep.fm@gmail.com

For the Glory of God and the Healing of Many: The Life and Faith of Dr. Simon Yu

In this episode, we sit down with Dr. Simon Yu (余俊豪), a world-renowned interventional radiologist whose journey is marked by unwavering faith, deep humility, and profound purpose. With hundreds of published research papers and pioneering medical techniques to his name, Dr. Yu has achieved remarkable success—yet what truly distinguishes him is his devotion to Christ and his commitment to serving others for God's glory. Dr. Yu opens up about how faith has carried him through every season of his career—from navigating difficult mentors and professional setbacks to experiencing moments of breakthrough and divine healing. He reflects on finding strength through prayer, embracing his calling as a healer, and weaving together innovation, family, and spiritual devotion into a life of meaning. Whether you're in medicine, ministry, or simply seeking to honor God through your daily work, Dr. Yu's story will inspire you to view your vocation as sacred ground—and to trust that God's light shines brightest through lives lived in humble service. More on Dr. Yu: Dr. Yu’s Book 如此我信：使徒信經今釋（二版）(Traditional Chinese Edition) (Amazon Kindle Edition): https://a.co/d/7uB4eqE [https://a.co/d/7uB4eqE]Dr. Yu’s Publications: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=Yu+SCH&cauthor_id=30840312 [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=Yu+SCH&cauthor_id=30840312]Dr. Yu sharing on faith and calligraphy (Cantonese): 聖言書藝社 -- 雅集重溫「信仰與藝術」- 余俊豪教授 / 2024年12月7日 -YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqmliWZTloM] Scripture Index: Treating Your Boss with Respect 1 Peter 2:18-25, Colossians 3:22-24, Epheisans 6:5-8 Suffering for Unjust Cause 1 Peter 2:19-20 Pleasing God 2 Corinthians 5:9, Proverbs 16:7 Man Cannot Serve Two Masters Matthew 6:24, Luke 16:13 Parable of the Talents Matthew 25:14-30 The Lord’s Prayer Matthew 6:9-13 Love the Lord Your God Matthew 22:37-40 Love People Matthew 22:39 We May Not Know How God Uses Our Interactions to ChangePeople Ecclesiastes 11:5, 1 Corinthians 3:6-7, Galatians 6:9 Praying for God’s Healing James 5:14-15, 2 Kings 20:5, Psalm 30:2, 3 John 1:2 Do Not Pray with a Lot of Words Matthew 6:7-8, Ecclesiastes 5:2 Remembering Scripture When You Need It John 14:26 Finding Answers in the Bible 2 Timothy 3:16-17, Psalm 119:105, John 5:39 Let The World Be Filled in our Lives James 1:22-25, Luke 11:28, John 13:17, Matthew 7:24 God Will Lead Us In His Own Way Proverbs 3:5-6, Psalm 32:8, Philippians 2:13, Psalm 37:4-5,Proverbs 16:9, Proverbs 19:21, Psalm 37:23, James 4:13-15 Our Actions Affect Others: Matthew 5:14-16, Titus 2:7-8, Hebrews 10:24-25 We Were Created for a Purpose: Colossians 1:16, Jeremiah 32:19, Proverbs 19:21, Proverbs20:5, Ecclesiastes 3:1-8,11, Romans 8:28, Ephesians 2:10, Matthew 28:16-20 Caring for One Another: 1 John 3:17-18, Galatians 6:2, Philippians 2:4, 1Thessalonians 5:11, Colossians 3:12 God Blesses Those Who Obey Him: Genesis 22:15-18, Joshua 1:7-8, Proverbs 16:20, Psalm 119:2,Galatians 6:7-9, Philippians 4:4-9, Philippians 4:14-19, Colossians 3:23-24,John 14:23, Proverbs 11:31 Suffering: Philippians 1:29-30, 1 Peter 4:12 Topics Covered: Interventional Radiology: Interventionalradiology - Wikipedia [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interventional_radiology] Christian Theology: Christian theology -Wikipedia [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_theology] 1990 Billy Graham Crusade in Hong Kong: https://youtu.be/D7iMSJnGaQM?si=3k39eG8cXTau78aF [https://youtu.be/D7iMSJnGaQM?si=3k39eG8cXTau78aF] Special Thanks: Dr. Peter Ng for connecting us to Mr. Hui. Mr. Alex Hui for connecting us with Dr. Yu. KK from Wheaton ChineseAlliance Church [https://www.wcac-cma.org/] for providing resources, including Dr. Yu’s book andvideos. She also helped to translate and summarize one of his videos. Email List: Subscribe to our email list by clicking here [https://deep-calls-to-deep-podcast.kit.com/3c1ea7b87a]! Note: Emails may go to your Spam folder. Comments/Feedback: Leave a comment or email us at deepcalls2deep.fm@gmail.com

Doctor, Faith, and Facing Life’s Hardest Questions (Pt 1)

In our second episode, we are joined by Josh, a sleep medicine fellow at a major academic hospital, to explore how faith and medicine intersect in powerful, unexpected ways. Josh shares how his relationship with God first led him to pursue medicine—and how caring for patients has only deepened that faith. From listening to patients share vulnerably, to standing at the bedside in moments of death, Josh reflects on how God has revealed His presence and purpose in the most sacred moments. We also dive into a conversation about suffering: what it is, why it happens, and how we can understand it through a biblical lens. Josh doesn’t shy away from the hard questions, and his story offers honesty, humility, and hope. Whether you're a healthcare worker, someone walking through illness yourself or with a loved one, or just trying to make sense of pain and purpose, Josh’s story is a reminder that God is not only in control but deeply loving, even in the hardest moments! Scripture: Job Questions God: * Various chapters from Job God Answers Job/The More We Know, the Less We Know: * Job 38-41 * Ecclesiastes 8:16-17 Going Through the Motions of Life: * Luke 8:4-15 Patient Reading Psalms: * Psalm 23 God Created Us to Love: * 1 John 4:7-21 Our Actions Affect Others: * Matthew 5:14-16 * Titus 2:7-8 * Hebrews 10:24-25 We Were Created for a Purpose: * Colossians 1:16 * Jeremiah 32:19 * Proverbs 19:21 * Proverbs 20:5 * Ecclesiastes 3:1-8,11 * Romans 8:28 * Ephesians 2:10 * Matthew 28:16-20 Anxiety: * Proverbs 12:25  * Matthew 13:22 * Luke 21:34 * Job 3:25-26 Approaching Anxiety: * Philippians 4:6-7 * 1 Peter 5:6-7 * 2 Timothy 1:7 * Hebrews 13:6 * Matthew 6:34 * Proverbs 3:5-6 * Joshua 1:9 Keeping Up with the Joneses/FOMO, When Looking at the Wicked * Psalm 73:3-16 * Matthew 16:25 We Raise our Own Bar * Matthew 11:28-30 Echo Chambers and Listening to What You Want to Hear: * 1 Timothy 4:1 * 2 Timothy 3:1-7 * Exodus 32 * 1 Samuel 15 * Romans 1:24 * Psalm 81:11-12 Heart Hardening: * Ephesians 4:18 * Matthew 13:14-15 Caring for One Another: * 1 John 3:17-18 * Galatian 6:2 * Philippians 2:4     * 1 Thessalonians 5:11 * Colossians 3:12 Connecting with Others Like You: * 1 Corinthians 9:19-23 God Blesses Those Who Obey Him: * Genesis 22:15-18 * Joshua 1:7-8 * Proverbs 16:20 * Psalm 119:2 * Galatians 6:7-9 * Philippians 4:4-9 * Philippians 4:14-19 * Colossians 3:23-24 * John 14:23 Suffering: * Philippians 1:29-30 * 1 Peter 4:12 Growing Through Suffering: * 1 Peter 5:8-9 * James 1:2-4 * Romans 5:3-4 * 1 Corinthians 10:13 * 1 Peter 1:6-7 * Hebrews 12:11 * Matthew 16:24 * Romans 8:18 Experiencing God through Suffering * Philippians 3:10 * 2 Corinthians 12:7-10 * Philippians 1:12-26 * 1 Peter 4:13 Heaven/Paradise: * Revelation 21:3-5 We are Victorious: * 1 Corinthians 15: 54-57 * 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 Email List: Subscribe to our email list by clicking ⁠here⁠ [https://deep-calls-to-deep-podcast.kit.com/3c1ea7b87a]! Note: emails may go to your Spam folder. Special Thanks: Josh: for your friendship and brotherhood over the years, and for supporting this podcast from day one! Look forward to many more spiritual conversations in the future, God willing! Comments/Feedback: Leave a comment or email us at deepcalls2deep.fm@gmail.com

From Strategy to Shepherding: Living out Mission at Work

In our first episode, we’re joined by David, a director of corporate strategy at a large tech company. Despite his demanding role and the busyness of family life, David shares how he discovered God’s mission for him in the workplace. He talks about how his understanding of work has shifted, and how he now intentionally values and cares for the people God has placed in his life. He also reflects on how God has blessed him through simple acts of obedience. Whether you're feeling distant in your faith or searching for truth, David’s story offers a hopeful reminder that God is present - revealed in the everyday. Scripture: God's Design for Work * Genesis 2:15 Call to do Excellent Work and to be Examples * Colossians 3:22-24 * Ephesians 6:5-8 * Ecclesiastes 9:10 * 1 Corinthians 10:31-33 * Matthew 5:14-18 Call to Mentor Those God Puts in Our Lives * 1 Peter 5:2 God Values Every Individual * 1 John 4:9-10 * Psalm 8:3-4 Strength and Energy Come from God * Isaiah 40:28-31 * Colossians 1:11 Living with Empathy and Humility * Philippians 2:3-4 Blessing Through Obedience * Deuteronomy 28:1-2 * Luke 11:28 * James 1:25 * Matthew 25:14-30 * Matthew 28:16-20 Reflection: 1. In what ways might the practices of talent development in corporations inform how we, as the Church, discern and cultivate spiritual gifts among believers? 2. In what ways has the American Church adopted corporate models of leadership and structure, and how might this be shaping our witness, discipleship, and understanding of the Church’s mission? Special Thanks: To David, for trusting me enough to agree to be my guest. Proud to call you my friend and brother. To Hannah for her help with the logo design! Comments/Feedback: deepcalls2deep.fm@gmail.com [deepcalls2deep.fm@gmail.com]