Disrupt or Defend
What separates a SaaS business worth a real exit from one that buyers quietly walk away from in 2026? ㅤ Daniel Kazani [https://www.linkedin.com/in/danielkazani/], co-founder of Softup [https://www.softup.co], sits down with Dirk Sahlmer [https://www.linkedin.com/in/dirksahlmer/], partner at FE International, to talk about how AI is reshaping SaaS M&A. After six years on the buy side at saas.group, Dirk now advises founders through sell-side exit processes, and he's seen both ends of how exit value gets won or lost. ㅤ The conversation goes long on retention as the new growth signal, why a lot of AI-hype revenue has rotting cohorts under it, and the valuation misconceptions most founders carry into their first exit conversation. Dirk also breaks down what real AI defensibility looks like, why a fifteen-year-old "boring" SaaS can still command a strong multiple, and the one question every founder needs to be ready to answer before a buyer asks it. ㅤ 👤 Guest Bioㅤ Dirk Sahlmer [https://www.linkedin.com/in/dirksahlmer/] is a partner at FE International, where he advises SaaS and tech founders on competitive auction exit processes. ㅤ Based in Germany, Dirk trained as an engineer before co-founding his own SaaS company, then spent close to six years building the deal origination function at saas.group as their first full-time hire, evaluating thousands of SaaS businesses and leading multiple buy-side acquisitions. In late 2025, he moved to the sell-side at FE International. He also writes the saas.wtf [https://www.saas.wtf/] newsletter on SaaS metrics, valuations, and exit readiness, followed by thousands of founders and investors. ㅤ 📌 What We Cover * Why retention has become the metric buyers watch most closely in the current AI hype cycle * The biggest mistakes first-time exit founders make: no sparring partner, no clean numbers, no realistic sense of what the business is worth * How private equity and financial buyers really think about boring SaaS that survives the next ten to fifteen years * What separates a real AI business from a chatbot bolted onto a website * Where AI defensibility actually lives: unique data, deep workflow integration, vertical focus * Why a fifteen-year-old SaaS can outperform a hype-stage AI-native startup in an exit * Why simple products like Calendly probably don't get replaced by your afternoon hack * The question every founder should answer before a buyer asks it: how is AI both an opportunity and a threat to your business? ㅤ 🔗 Resources Mentionedㅤ * FE International [https://www.feinternational.com] * Calendly [https://calendly.com] * Personio [https://www.personio.com] * Slack [https://slack.com] * Asana [https://asana.com] * HubSpot [https://www.hubspot.com] * Monday.com [https://monday.com] * AWS [https://aws.amazon.com] * Microsoft Azure [https://azure.microsoft.com] * n8n [https://n8n.io] * Claude Code [https://claude.com/product/claude-code] * ChatGPT [https://chatgpt.com] * Dirk's email: dirk.sahlmer@feinternational.com [dirk.sahlmer@feinternational.com]
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