8. Mark Ebner on Being SOUTH PARK's Scientology Expert

11. Bill Griffith on Creating ZIPPY THE PINHEAD, the SF Underground Cartoon Scene, and the Expression "ARE WE HAVING FUN YET?"

Famed cartoonist, Bill Griffith, explains via phone-interview how he became interested in cartooning and how that led to the creation of famed comic strip character, ZIPPY. Bill also shares highlights of his cartooning career, his part in the San Francisco comic scene, and the ill-fated attempts to turn ZIPPY into a Disney World character! Also, did you know Bill literally invented the expression, "ARE WE HAVING FUN YET"? Follow @drawingcontroversy on Instagram Email: drawingcontroversy@gmail.com Bill's website: https://zippythepinhead.com/ Here is BIll's guide for how to read and understand ZIPPY the comic strip: https://zippythepinhead.com/pages/aaaunderstanding.html

10. Mark Hill on How the 'DILBERT' Guy's Brain Melted

Cracked.com writer, Mark Hill, joins Jordan to examine the downward spiral DILBERT creator Scott Adams has gone down in the last few years. This conversation is made even more impressive as this was originally recorded almost a year before Adams delivered a tirade so racist, multiple newspapers dropped DILBERT.  The two also discuss Mark's written works and interest in cartoons! DRAWING CONTROVERSY will return soon with more interviews on controversial cartoons and the people who make them. Mark's Work: https://www.cracked.com/article_28788_how-did-dilbert-guys-brain-melt.html  BART SIMPSON WAS CONSIDERED A BAD INFLUENCE [https://www.cracked.com/article_32471_bart-simpson-was-considered-a-bad-influence-and-thats-nuts.html] 5 Kids’ Shows That Changed Since You Grew Up [https://www.cracked.com/article_26700_5-kids-shows-that-changed-ton-since-you-grew-up.html] SOURCES CITED: https://www.readtpa.com/p/scott-adams-white-grievance-dilbert?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=2282&post_id=105235631&isFreemail=true&utm_medium=email https://popular.info/p/is-it-ok-to-be-white?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=1664&post_id=105501338&isFreemail=true&utm_medium=email https://hbr.org/2013/10/how-dilbert-practically-wrote-itself https://dilbert.com/strip/1995-08-29 https://comicsalliance.com/scott-adams-plannedchaos-sockpuppet/ https://www.csmonitor.com/1996/0402/02014.html https://www.groundreport.com/Scott-Adams-Interview-creator-of-Dilbert/ https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/06/29/dilbert-creator-scott-adams-i-lost-my-tv-show-for-being-white/ https://www.themarysue.com/scott-adams-dilbert-transphobic-tokenist-joke/ https://www.themarysue.com/scott-adams-consent/ https://www.themarysue.com/scott-adams-twitter/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/a-cartoonists-nihilistic-defense-of-donald-trump/537297/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/comic-riffs/wp/2016/03/21/donald-trump-will-win-in-a-landslide-the-mind-behind-dilbert-explains-why/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/arts-entertainment/2019/07/30/dilbert-creator-scott-adams-apologizes-gilroy-victims-tweet-touting-his-app/ https://knowyourmeme.com/news/dilbert-creator-scott-adams-gifts-memers-plenty-of-material-after-he-spends-weekend-posting-his-ls https://web.archive.org/web/20190809113512/https:/www.scottadamssays.com/2015/08/13/clown-genius/ https://web.archive.org/web/20190801131238/https:/www.scottadamssays.com/2019/04/30/the-fine-people-hoax-funnel/ https://www.mediaite.com/online/dilbert-guy-threatens-to-sic-lawyers-on-journalist-for-calling-him-basically-the-louis-farrakhan-of-incel-white-nationalists/ https://www.mediaite.com/online/dilbert-creator-says-republicans-will-be-hunted-if-biden-elected-good-chance-you-will-be-dead-within-the-year/ https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-03-22/how-dilbert-s-scott-adams-got-hypnotized-by-trump

9. Norman Rafferty on Dave Sim, CEREBUS THE AARDVARK, and Creator Rights in the Comic Industry

Jordan is joined by cartoonist, graphic designer, and RPG maker, Norman Rafferty (@normanrafferty), to talk about CEREBUS THE AARDVARK creator, Dave Sim. Dave Sim is yet another controversial cartoonist, who both changed the comics publishing industry and also ran their legacy into the ground! Norman also gives us a look into his cartooning career and explains the challenges comics creators typically face in the industry. Follow @drawingcontroversyon IG and @drawingcontrov on Twitter. Email drawingcontroversy@gmail.com [drawingcontroversy@gmail.com] RELATED WORKS: Norman’s DEVIANT ART Profile: https://www.deviantart.com/rafferty [https://www.deviantart.com/rafferty] Sanguine Games’ Official Website: https://www.sanguinegames.com/ [https://www.sanguinegames.com/] Episode 3 with Bitter Karella on Tatsuya Ishida & SINFEST (https://tinyurl.com/5xv7azc7 [https://tinyurl.com/5xv7azc7]) ASSORTED LINKS: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerebus_the_Aardvark [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerebus_the_Aardvark] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creator%27s_Bill_of_Rights [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creator%27s_Bill_of_Rights] https://emmatinker.oxalto.co.uk/thesis/ [https://emmatinker.oxalto.co.uk/thesis/] http://www.theabsolute.net/misogyny/sim.html#texts [http://www.theabsolute.net/misogyny/sim.html#texts] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comicsgate [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comicsgate] https://bleedingcool.com/comics/dave-sims-cerebus-asks-stop-dragging-my-gender-identity-around/ [https://bleedingcool.com/comics/dave-sims-cerebus-asks-stop-dragging-my-gender-identity-around/] https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/41132-comicsgate-explained-bigots-milkshake-marvel-dc-gamergate [https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/41132-comicsgate-explained-bigots-milkshake-marvel-dc-gamergate] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVQccJ5Hidw&ab_channel=ComicTropes [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVQccJ5Hidw&ab_channel=ComicTropes] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e0okB5imP4&ab_channel=StrangeBrainParts [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e0okB5imP4&ab_channel=StrangeBrainParts] https://momentofcerebus.blogspot.com/2012/01/wolveroach.html [https://momentofcerebus.blogspot.com/2012/01/wolveroach.html] https://literatemachine.com/2020/08/28/cerebus-misogyny-and-madness/ [https://literatemachine.com/2020/08/28/cerebus-misogyny-and-madness/] https://comicsalliance.com/tribute-dave-sim/ [https://comicsalliance.com/tribute-dave-sim/]

8. Mark Ebner on Being SOUTH PARK's Scientology Expert

Did you first hear about the Church of Scientology, body thetans, and Evil Galactic Lord Xenu, when you saw the SOUTH PARK episode, “Trapped in the Closet”? Did you ever wonder just who provided the SOUTH PARK creators, Trey Parker and Matt Stone, with first-hand knowledge of what the Church of Scientology is really like? Well, that man is journalist, Mark Ebner and he’s this episode’s guest! Mark gives the inside scoop on what it’s like to be a Scientologist and how he became an integral part of one of SOUTH PARK’s greatest episodes. He also looks back on the Church’s reaction to SOUTH PARK and overall impact of the episode. Order Mark’s new book on Jerry Fallwell Jr. here [https://www.amazon.com/Off-Deep-End-Collapse-Evangelical-ebook/dp/B09SHX9X4W]! Mark’s website here. [https://www.hollywoodinterrupted.com/] Follow @drawingcontroversyon IG and @drawingcontrov on Twitter. Email drawingcontroversy@gmail.com [drawingcontroversy@gmail.com] WORKS CITED / RELATED WORKS: Mark’s SPY Magazine Article on Infiltrating Scientology [https://web.archive.org/web/20160708083315/http:/www.hollywoodinterrupted.com/2006/03/23/ebner-undercover-scientology-spy-magazine-1996] Article Detailing Scientology’s Attacks on Mark  [https://web.archive.org/web/20160611140659/http:/gawker.com/5801298/secret-files-show-scientology-stalked-another-reporter] 2006 Article on Isaac Hayes Exiting SOUTH PARK [https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/17/AR2006031702158.html]. See here [https://web.archive.org/web/20060427020704/http:/men.style.com/gq/features/full?id=content_4108&pageNum=4] also. Article Detailing Scientology’s Failed Counter-Offensive on SOUTH PARK [https://web.archive.org/web/20160409021630/http:/www.villagevoice.com/news/scientologys-south-park-investigation-orders-to-send-in-a-young-mole-6726199]. See here [https://web.archive.org/web/20160701004149/http:/www.villagevoice.com/news/lloyd-kaufman-on-scientology-and-south-park-eric-sherman-did-ask-me-about-trey-parker-and-matt-stone-6680640] also. Tony Ortega’s Article on How Tom Cruise’s Behavior Encouraged More Scientology Journalism [https://tonyortega.org/2014/05/21/no-la-weekly-tom-cruises-career-was-not-ruined-by-a-gif/] Mark’s article on Paris Hilton [https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna14928838] Solving a Crime That Tom Cruise Video! [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh2uS-Om_Bs&ab_channel=LordSaviorXenu] Jenna Miscavige Hill [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sgp4ZaZd1BA&ab_channel=SiriusXM] on the SOUTH PARK episode

7. Jamie Loftus on CATHY, Women in Comics, and the Making of The AACK Cast!

Jordan is joined by podcaster, comedian, and writer, Jamie Loftus, to get insight on Jamie’s 2021 podcast mini-series, AACK Cast! The two discuss the cultural significance of the comic strip, CATHY, the politics of different waves of feminism, and the overall history of women in comics. Jamie also shares what she personally learned from interviewing the creator of CATHY, Cathy Guisewite, as well as what she has against Forky from Toy Story 4. Follow @drawingcontroversyon IG and @drawingcontrov on Twitter. Email drawingcontroversy@gmail.com Jamie’s website: http://www.jamieloftus.xyz/ [http://www.jamieloftus.xyz/] Twitter: @jamieloftusHELP The AACK Cast! (Recommended Listening if you enjoyed this podcast): https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-aack-cast-by-jamie-loftus-83922273/ [https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-aack-cast-by-jamie-loftus-83922273/] Jamie’s mini-series, GHOST CHURCH: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-ghost-church-by-jamie-lof-95721611/ [https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-ghost-church-by-jamie-lof-95721611/] WORKS CITED: · MAD MAGAZINE MODERN COMICS (see DRAWING CONTROVERSY’s Twitter or IG story to see the images referenced) [7:55] · Cathy Guisewite trade photo (https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/photos/cathy-guisewite [https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/photos/cathy-guisewite]) [15:55] · CRACKED article detailing BLONDIE’s early history (https://www.cracked.com/article_19199_7-bizarre-early-versions-famous-cartoon-characters.html [https://www.cracked.com/article_19199_7-bizarre-early-versions-famous-cartoon-characters.html]) [32:00] · TRADE AD PROMOTING CATHY AND LYNN JOHNSTON (https://tinyurl.com/5n7vk8ps [https://tinyurl.com/5n7vk8ps])   [37:00] · See this Article Here Too: https://www.hoganmag.com/blog/cathy-guisewite-the-goodbye-girl [https://www.hoganmag.com/blog/cathy-guisewite-the-goodbye-girl]  AND https://www.thecut.com/2019/03/the-feminist-paradox-of-cathy-guisewite.html [https://www.thecut.com/2019/03/the-feminist-paradox-of-cathy-guisewite.html] · Mr. Pinkly invites himself to Cathy's place strip: https://tinyurl.com/yckxbmbc [https://tinyurl.com/yckxbmbc] [50:00} · Link containing DUKAKIS Strips and other related CATHY Comics: https://phoebecohen.medium.com/justice-for-cathy-the-most-feminist-comic-strip-of-the-80s-and-90s-5f5ec8f4124c [https://phoebecohen.medium.com/justice-for-cathy-the-most-feminist-comic-strip-of-the-80s-and-90s-5f5ec8f4124c] and https://www.tcj.com/on-hating-cathy/ [https://www.tcj.com/on-hating-cathy/] and https://sundaycomicsdebt.blogspot.com/2010/08/cathy-gets-wise.html