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In this episode of Fighting Matters, Steve Kwan is joined by Hannah Gais, a senior research analyst at the Southern Poverty Law Center who has tracked white nationalist and neo-Nazi movements since 2016 and also trains jiu-jitsu. They get into how active clubs and far-right groups use combat sports gyms as recruitment grounds, why most practitioners don't see it happening, and what coaches and gym owners can actually do about it. ⸻ 🔗 Links Mentioned: - Southern Poverty Law Center — https://splcenter.org [https://splcenter.org] - Hannah Gais on Bluesky — https://bsky.app/profile/hannahgais.bsky.social [https://bsky.app/profile/hannahgais.bsky.social] - Louis Theroux Manosphere documentary — https://www.netflix.com/ca/title/81920687 [https://www.netflix.com/ca/title/81920687] - Global Project Against Hate and Extremism — https://globalextremism.org [https://globalextremism.org] ⸻ 👥 Featuring: - Steve Kwan — https://bjjmentalmodels.com [https://bjjmentalmodels.com] - Hannah Gais — https://splcenter.org [https://splcenter.org] ⸻ 🧠 Topics Discussed: - How active clubs use gyms to recruit without revealing their intentions - The entryism playbook: how fringe movements infiltrate institutions - Warning signs that someone is testing the waters at your gym - Shifting the Overton window through sports and social media - Jake Shields, the Manosphere, and BJJ's far-right influencer problem - Where gym owners should draw the line - How people leave the movement, and what coaches can do to help ⸻ 📖 Chapters: 00:00 — Introducing Hannah Gais 00:54 — Hannah's work at the SPLC 04:18 — How big is the problem, really? 07:01 — Why the movement has gone mainstream 15:16 — The Overton window and how they shift it 17:45 — Jake Shields and the sane-washing of extremists 20:27 — Warning signs at your gym 24:50 — Immigration as an entry point 31:32 — What white nationalism actually means 39:32 — Entryism: how they build from within 43:05 — What gym owners should watch for 47:57 — Hiding your power level 53:31 — BJJ's far-right influencer problem 55:35 — Where to draw the line 01:00:21 — How people leave the movement 01:03:54 — Hannah's links and the Manosphere documentary
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