
Invested In Climate
Podcast de Jason Rissman
Invested in Climate hosts conversations with leading thinkers to help our listeners do more to address the climate crisis through their Work, Investments, Learning, Lifestyle and Activism. People everywhere, communities, governments and all sectors of the economy are mobilizing to address climate change. The scale of this global action is unprecedented. Never before have so many people dedicated so much energy, creativity and capital to addressing a shared, global threat. Will it be enough? What else is needed? And, most importantly, what can you do? We all have a part to play, so let’s go.
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In the second installment of our Deep Dive: Missing Middle in Climate Tech series, created in partnership with Spring Lane Capital, we dive deeper into why the “missing middle” is not just a gap; it's a structural issue. We're joined by two of the sharpest minds in climate investing: Francis O’Sullivan, Managing Director at S2G Investments [https://www.s2gventures.com], and Rob Day, Co-Founder of Spring Lane Capital [https://www.springlanecapital.com]. Together, they explore how early-stage innovation and late-stage deployment are well funded, while the crucial middle phase of scaling is dangerously underserved. We discuss why this gap exists, what solutions are emerging, and how investors are shifting their strategies to meet the moment. If you care about accelerating the climate transition, you’re going to want to listen to this. What You’ll Learn * Why the "missing middle" persists despite surging climate capital overall * How venture capital models can distort scale-up potential * What new capital strategies (like development expense financing) are emerging * Why climate investing now enters a “third phase” of full-scale deployment * How Rob and Francis are rethinking returns and risk for the climate transition In today’s episode, we cover: * [2:50] Francis' background and journey to S2G * [4:36] Rob's career path in climate tech investing * [6:30] Spring Lane Capital's founding and investment thesis * [9:54] Discussion of the missing middle in climate finance * [19:04] Structural challenges in climate investment * [25:46] Organizational challenges for institutional investors * [33:57] Concrete investment examples * [41:37] Explanation of structured investment instruments * [44:26] Historical context of climate investing Resources Mentioned * S2G Investments [https://www.s2gventures.com] * Spring Lane Capital [https://www.springlanecapital.com] * World Resources Institute [https://www.wri.org/] * Invested in Climate - Missing Middle in Climate Tech Series: The Role of Family Offices with Spring Lane Capital & CREO, Ep #114 [https://www.investedinclimate.com/podcast/the-role-of-family-offices-with-spring-lane-capital-creo] * S2G: 2023 Report - The Missing Middle: Capital Imbalances in the Energy Transition [https://www.s2ginvestments.com/insights/missing-middle] * CREO: 2024 Report - Understanding the Climate Finance Gap [https://www.creosyndicate.org/store/understanding-the-climate-finance-gap] * Soluna [https://www.solunacomputing.com/] Connect with Us * Jason Rissman [https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasonrissman/] * Rob Day [https://www.linkedin.com/in/robday/] * Francis O’Sullivan [https://www.linkedin.com/in/francis-o-sullivan-5742136/] Spring Lane Capital * Website: https://springlanecapital.com/ [https://springlanecapital.com/] * Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/company/springlanecapital/ [https://www.linkedin.com/company/springlanecapital/] S2G Investment * Website: https://www.s2ginvestments.com/ [https://www.s2ginvestments.com/] * Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/company/s2g-investments/ [https://www.linkedin.com/company/s2g-investments/] Invested in Climate * Sign up for our Newsletter [https://investedinclimate.com/#signup] * LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/company/invested-in-climate/?lipi=urn%3Ali%3Apage%3Ad_flagship3_search_srp_all%3BkrFcZjBVSlW%2BTcjtAzAeow%3D%3D] * Instagram [http://instagram.com/investedinclimate] * Youtube [https://www.youtube.com/@investedinclimate] * Bluesky [https://bsky.app/profile/investedinclimate.bsky.social] Have feedback or ideas for future episodes, events, or partnerships? Get in touch [https://investedinclimate.com/contact/]!

The climate transition requires not just allocating trillions of dollars to scale new technologies, build new infrastructure, and transform incumbent industries – it requires getting the right mix of capital to develop, grow, and eventually scale innovations. In the world of climate, promising technologies too often don’t find the growth-stage capital that’s needed before large institutional investors can finance reaching scale. Addressing this missing middle is a structural challenge that requires more attention, and today’s episode is the first in a series of discussions on the missing middle in climate, developed in partnership with Spring Lane Capital [https://springlanecapital.com/]. In this conversation, I’m joined by Jason Scott, a long-time climate investor who is Partner in Residence at Spring Lane Capital and also Board Chair of CREO Syndicate, and Régine Clément, CEO at CREO Syndicate [https://www.creosyndicate.org/]. Spring Lane has been investing for years in the missing middle and has unique expertise in the challenges and opportunities it holds. If you haven’t heard of CREO, this is a group you should know. CREO works to help family offices invest more in climate. Families hold over $10 trillion in assets and can bring versatility and resilience that can help improve climate finance. CREO is working to mobilize $1 trillion for climate in the coming years. We talk about insights from their recent report on the missing middle, how climate investing has evolved in recent years, the role of catalytic capital, whether investors are backing away from climate amidst changing policy and macro-factors, and much more. This was a great kick-off for our Deep Dive: Missing Middle in Climate Tech series, and I hope it piques your interest in the other episodes as well. And, if it piques your interest about partnering on a topical series of your own, don’t hesitate to reach out. What You'll Learn * What the "missing middle" is and why it's crucial for climate progress * How climate financing has evolved over the past decade and what gaps remain * The unique role family offices play in addressing climate investment gaps * Why growth-stage capital is especially scarce despite strong returns in climate investing * How policy uncertainty and structural market issues impact climate finance * Strategic approaches to mobilize trillions for climate solutions by 2030 In today’s episode, we cover: * 03:12 - Régine’s background and CREO Syndicate's work * 06:08 - Jason’s background and Spring Lane Capital’s work * 08:22 - Defining the "missing middle" in climate finance * 13:19 - Analysis of climate investment trends and current market dynamics * 17:43 - The 6x financing gap needed to reach climate goals by 2030 * 19:57 - Why the missing middle in climate is more complex than in other sectors * 24:49 - Structural challenges with fund sizes and misaligned investor incentives * 30:33 - The surprising finding that only 18% of self-proclaimed climate funds invest >50% in climate * 34:05 - Perspective on progress despite policy uncertainty and market fluctuations * 37:47 - The economic case for climate investing beyond environmental benefits * 41:27 - The unique role of family offices in catalyzing climate capital Resources Mentioned * CREO Syndicate: Understanding the Climate Finance Gap report [https://www.creosyndicate.org/store/understanding-the-climate-finance-gap] * Forbes: Where To Find The 'Missing Middle' Of Capital For Sustainable Innovations by Rob Day [https://www.forbes.com/sites/robday/2018/07/01/where-to-find-the-missing-middle-of-capital-for-sustainable-innovations/] * CTVC by Sightline Climate: $30bn and 14% fall as market finds new normal in ‘24 [https://www.ctvc.co/30bn-and-14-fall-as-market-finds-new-normal-in-24/] * Net-Zero Asset Owner Alliance [https://www.unepfi.org/net-zero-alliance/] * Net Zero Asset Managers Initiative [https://www.netzeroassetmanagers.org/] * Net-Zero Banking Alliance [https://www.unepfi.org/net-zero-banking/] * CREO Syndicate: Understanding the Climate Finance Gap report [https://www.creosyndicate.org/store/understanding-the-climate-finance-gap] Connect with Us * Jason Rissman [https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasonrissman/] * Jason Scott [https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasonascott/] * Régine Clément [https://www.linkedin.com/in/regineclement/] Spring Lane Capital * Website: https://springlanecapital.com/ [https://springlanecapital.com/] * Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/company/springlanecapital/ [https://www.linkedin.com/company/springlanecapital/] CREO Syndicate * Website: https://www.creosyndicate.org/ * Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/company/meet-creo/ [https://www.linkedin.com/company/meet-creo/] Invested in Climate * Sign up for our Newsletter [https://investedinclimate.com/#signup] * LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/company/invested-in-climate/?lipi=urn%3Ali%3Apage%3Ad_flagship3_search_srp_all%3BkrFcZjBVSlW%2BTcjtAzAeow%3D%3D] * Instagram [http://instagram.com/investedinclimate] * Youtube [https://www.youtube.com/@investedinclimate] * Bluesky [https://bsky.app/profile/investedinclimate.bsky.social] Have feedback or ideas for future episodes, events, or partnerships? 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The voluntary carbon markets have been a source of curiosity for me. There’s been a lot of hope that the market would mature and offer a reliable way to offset emissions that otherwise could not be eliminated. Reliability has been the problem, however. Not knowing which carbon reduction projects are additive and truly remove or reduce carbon has held this market back, and I’ve been excited to learn about how new technologies will enable the reliability that’s needed. There are many people working on this problem. Dr. Allister Furey, Founder and CEO of Sylvera [https://www.sylvera.com/] is one, and I was excited to learn about his company’s approach to removing carbon market bottlenecks and accelerating the investment in carbon projects. As he says it’s a mix of software, data, AI, and analysis that have helped Sylvera work with large clients and unlock enormous investments. Hope you learn as much as I did. Enjoy. ON TODAY’S EPISODE, WE COVER: * [03:37] Allister’s background and entrepreneurial journey * [05:54] Sylvera's founding and initial business concept * [10:42] Exploration of the desert greening concept * [11:27] Sylvera's current business offerings * [17:10] Sylvera’s progress, reach, and client base * [20:24] Corporate climate commitment trends * [22:44] Corporate demand for carbon projects * [26:12] Policy market expectations * [29:07] Climate investor sentiment * [30:33] Future outlook for carbon markets RESOURCES MENTIONED * Sylvera [https://www.sylvera.com/] CONNECT ON LINKEDIN * Allister Furey [https://www.linkedin.com/in/afurey/] * Jason Rissman [https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasonrissman/] KEEP UP WITH INVESTED IN CLIMATE * Sign up for our Newsletter [https://investedinclimate.com/#signup] * LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/company/invested-in-climate/?lipi=urn%3Ali%3Apage%3Ad_flagship3_search_srp_all%3BkrFcZjBVSlW%2BTcjtAzAeow%3D%3D] * Instagram [http://instagram.com/investedinclimate] * Bluesky [https://bsky.app/profile/investedinclimate.bsky.social] HAVE FEEDBACK OR IDEAS FOR FUTURE EPISODES, EVENTS, OR PARTNERSHIPS? Get in touch [https://investedinclimate.com/contact/]!

Non-dilutive funding isn’t just about landing the grant; it’s about delivering on it with excellence. In the third episode of our Deep Dive Series with Climate Finance Solutions, we go beyond the application and explore what happens after the award. Our guest host Joel Armin-Hoiland, Founder & CEO of Climate Finance Solutions [https://www.climatefinancesolutions.com/], is joined by two experts who live and breathe this work: Susan Perri, Director of Grants at Climate Finance Solutions, and Jeff Haydock, CEO of ecoCFO [https://www.ecocfo.com/]. Together, they unpack the essential strategies behind post-award grant management from navigating audits to implementing smart financial systems, crafting efficient technical reports, and making strategic choices long before the application is even submitted. The episode offers real-world insights into federal grant reporting, shifting expectations with the new administration, and how startups can build internal or external capacity to manage complexity without losing focus. If you’re building a climate company and want to stay ahead of the curve on grants, this episode is for you. ON TODAY’S EPISODE, WE COVER: * [02:00] Introductions of Jeff and Susan * [04:00] Susan’s background * [05:29] Jeff's background * [09:38] Susan’s role at Climate Finance Solutions * [11:18] Post-award management best practices * [14:10] Strategic elements of grant applications * [16:26] Financial preparation for grant reporting * [20:31] Insights on grant audits * [24:14] Overview of technical reporting * [27:34] Strategies for making post-award reporting easier * [34:18] When to hire consultants for grant management * [39:11] How to ensure smooth collaboration with consultants * [41:13] Changes in federal grants under the new Administration * [45:22] Alternative grant funding sources * [48:24] Closing thoughts and sources of hope RESOURCES MENTIONED * Climate Finance Solutions [https://www.climatefinancesolutions.com/] * ecoCFO [https://www.ecocfo.com/] CONNECT ON LINKEDIN * Joel Armin-Hoiland [https://www.linkedin.com/in/joelarminhoiland/] * Susan Perri [https://www.linkedin.com/in/susan-perri/] * Jeff Haydock [https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffhaydock/] * Jason Rissman [https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasonrissman/] KEEP UP WITH INVESTED IN CLIMATE * Sign up for our Newsletter [https://investedinclimate.com/#signup] * LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/company/invested-in-climate/?lipi=urn%3Ali%3Apage%3Ad_flagship3_search_srp_all%3BkrFcZjBVSlW%2BTcjtAzAeow%3D%3D] * Instagram [http://instagram.com/investedinclimate] * Bluesky [https://bsky.app/profile/investedinclimate.bsky.social] HAVE FEEDBACK OR IDEAS FOR FUTURE EPISODES, EVENTS, OR PARTNERSHIPS? Get in touch [https://investedinclimate.com/contact/]!

It’s not yet clear exactly how devasting the loss of federal funding for climate nonprofits and climate tech companies will be, but we know the toll will be high. Beyond the funding freeze, there have also been rumors of other federal action targeting nonprofits in this space. No one knows exactly what will happen, but it’s clear that philanthropy is more important than ever. Philanthropy alone can’t fill the gap left by the government, but it can make a real difference. This episode is the first in a series of conversations we’ll have this year focused on climate philanthropy. We’re starting with not only one of the biggest climate foundations in the U.S., but also one that combines philanthropy with investments designed to catalyze more capital flows to climate. The MacArthur Foundation [https://www.macfound.org/] has long been a leader in using this impact investing approach to improve the ROI for investors seeking market-rate returns. In today’s conversation, we’re joined by MacArthur Foundation’s Director of Impact Investments John Balbach and Program Officer Deborah Philbrick. We spoke about the Foundation's holistic, problem-first approach to climate, what that means for both their philanthropic funding and impact investing, how they’re stepping up to what they see as a civil society crisis, and much more. Lots to learn and think about in this one. Let me know if you have ideas about other foundations to feature in this series. Here we go. ON TODAY’S EPISODE, WE COVER: * [02:36] Introductions of John and Deborah * [04:21] Overview of MacArthur Foundation's Climate Work * [05:52] Climate Solutions Big Bet Details * [07:02] Philanthropic Strategy and Theory of Change * [08:15] Grantee Examples * [10:37] Impact of Federal Funding Freeze * [12:55] Strategic Shifts and Foundation's Role * [15:57] Climate Philanthropy Landscape * [17:04] Sub-national Climate Priorities * [18:19] MacArthur's Impact Investing History * [20:36] Risk and Return Approach * [22:45] Impact Assessment Methodology * [25:11] Catalytic Capital Strategies * [28:01] Investment Thesis * [31:20] Administration's Impact on Investments * [33:30] Systemic Transformation Discussion RESOURCES MENTIONED * MacArthur Foundation [https://www.macfound.org/] * MacArthur Fellows Program [https://www.macfound.org/programs/awards/fellows/] * MacArthur Foundation: Climate Solutions Big Bet [https://www.macfound.org/programs/bigbets/climate-solutions/] * Just Transition Fund [https://justtransitionfund.org/] * League of Conservation Voters Education Fund [https://www.lcvef.org/] * Azolla Ventures [https://azollaventures.com/] * Encourage Solar Finance [https://encouragecapital.com/encourage-solar-finance/] * Sunwealth [https://www.sunwealth.com/] * MacArthur Foundation: How We Leverage the ‘Full Continuum’ of Capital to Address the Climate Crisis [https://www.macfound.org/press/perspectives/how-we-leverage-the-%E2%80%98full-continuum%E2%80%99-of-capital-to-address-the-climate-crisis] * MacArthur Foundation: Aligning Our Investments With Our Mission, Values, and Programs [https://www.macfound.org/press/perspectives/aligning-our-investments-with-our-mission-values-and-programs] CONNECT ON LINKEDIN * Jason Rissman [https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasonrissman/] * John Balbach [https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-balbach-46ab913/] * Deborah Philbrick [https://www.linkedin.com/in/deborah-philbrick-18023213/] KEEP UP WITH INVESTED IN CLIMATE * Sign up for our Newsletter [https://investedinclimate.com/#signup] * LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/company/invested-in-climate/?lipi=urn%3Ali%3Apage%3Ad_flagship3_search_srp_all%3BkrFcZjBVSlW%2BTcjtAzAeow%3D%3D] * Instagram [http://instagram.com/investedinclimate] * Bluesky [https://bsky.app/profile/investedinclimate.bsky.social] HAVE FEEDBACK OR IDEAS FOR FUTURE EPISODES, EVENTS, OR PARTNERSHIPS? Get in touch [https://investedinclimate.com/contact/]!
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