Crisis Cops: The Human Side of Crisis Response with HBO Star Ernie Stevens

The Hidden Cost of Hustle Culture

In this episode of Iron and Empathy, host Drew Moldenhauer sits down with Naomi Asher to unpack a mindset many leaders quietly carry: if you’re not exhausted, you’re not doing enough. Drawing from nearly two decades in nonprofit leadership, Naomi shares how high-performing leaders often push themselves to the brink—confusing burnout with commitment—until something forces them to stop and rethink how they lead. She challenges the assumptions that drive workplace conflict and stress, including the tendency to take things personally and misinterpret others’ intent. With practical strategies like pausing before reacting and intentionally stepping away to reset, Naomi offers a more sustainable approach to leadership—one that balances accountability with empathy and helps leaders build stronger, healthier teams. Reach out to Drew and sign up for newsletters and podcast updates at Blue-Ethos.com [http://Blue-Ethos.com] To connect with Naomi Asher: * 🌐 Website: naomithemaven.com [http://naomithemaven.com] * 📱 Socials: LinkedIn, Instagram, Facebook (active on all platforms) TAKEAWAYS * Burnout is often mistaken for commitment—but it’s not sustainable * Many leaders operate under unspoken “hustle culture” expectations * 87% of workplace conflict comes from misunderstandings * Assumptions about intent and respect often drive unnecessary conflict * Pausing before reacting can prevent emotional, unproductive responses * Leaders must model rest—teams will follow behavior, not words * Clear communication reduces conflict and builds trust * Identity should not be tied solely to productivity or achievement * Intentional rest (like “taking to the bed”) helps reset and refocus * Strong leadership balances accountability with empathy KEYWORDS leadership burnout, workplace conflict, leadership mindset, emotional intelligence, self-awareness, communication in leadership, conflict resolution, team dynamics, burnout recovery, hustle culture, leadership development, workplace culture, empathy in leadership, stress management, organizational leadership, mindset shift, executive burnout, leadership habits

The First First Responders

In this episode of Iron and Empathy, host Drew Moldenhauer speaks with Kari Morrissey, Director of the Anoka County Emergency Communication Center, about the reality behind the headset. With more than 30 years in 911, Kari pulls back the curtain on what telecommunicators actually face—constant decision-making, high call volume, and the responsibility of being the true first point of contact in someone’s worst moment. She shares how small decisions can have lasting consequences, why saying “no” isn’t an option in emergency communications, and how the mental weight of the job can stay with you long after a shift ends. From evolving technology like real-time video and location sharing to building a culture that prioritizes mental wellness, Carrie highlights what it really takes to support those who answer the call—and why their role is more critical than most people realize. Possible Trigger Warning: This episode includes discussion of emergency calls and the realities of 911 work that often involve violent incidents. Reach out to Drew and sign up for newsletters and podcast updates at Blue-Ethos.com [http://Blue-Ethos.com] To connect with Kari Morrissey or learn more: * 🌐 Website: anokacountymn.gov [http://anokacountymn.gov] (911 section) * 📧 Email: kari.morrissey@anokacountymn.gov TAKEAWAYS * Telecommunicators are the true first point of contact in emergency response * Every call requires real-time decision-making under pressure * Saying “no” can have serious consequences—calls must be properly triaged * Many calls are non-emergency, but still require time, attention, and resources * The job demands constant multitasking, accuracy, and composure * Mental health impact is real—calls and details can stay with you for decades * Debriefings and exposure to details should be handled thoughtfully * Technology is transforming response (video, location sharing, real-time data) * Strong leadership and culture are essential for retention and wellness * Supporting telecommunicators requires intentional focus on breaks, recovery, and support systems KEYWORDS 911 telecommunicators, emergency communications, dispatch center operations, public safety communications, call taking, emergency response, mental health in 911, dispatcher stress, crisis communication, next generation 911, public safety leadership, first responders, communication under pressure, situational awareness, emergency dispatch technology, wellness in public safety

Burnout Is Not a Badge of Honor: Scott Medlin on having winning mindset

In this episode of Iron and Empathy, host Drew Moldenhauer sits down with Scott Medlin, a Marine Corps veteran, former police officer, and mental performance speaker, to explore burnout, identity, and mental fitness in high-stress careers. Drawing from his own experience in law enforcement, Scott shares how losing his sense of identity and operating in constant “survival mode” led him to rethink performance, ultimately developing the 10-Code Mindset to help others build awareness, resilience, and purpose. He breaks down why the habits we normalize—overworking, poor sleep, negative self-talk—are often the very things holding us back, and how small shifts in mindset can change the trajectory before it’s too late. This episode challenges the idea that grinding harder is the answer—and offers a more sustainable way to perform at your best. Reach out to Drew and sign up for newsletters and podcast updates at Blue-Ethos.com [http://Blue-Ethos.com] To learn more about Scott Medlin and his work: * 🌐 Website: ScottMedlin.com [http://ScottMedlin.com] * 📚 Books: Available on Amazon by searching Scott Medlin author KEY TAKEAWAYS * Burnout is not a badge of honor—it’s a warning sign * Operating in “survival mode” leads to long-term performance decline * Mindset directly impacts thoughts, actions, and results * Language matters—self-defeating thoughts shape negative outcomes * Small daily improvements (1%) create long-term change * Sleep, recovery, and unplugging are critical for performance * Identity should not be tied solely to a profession * Writing down problems and solutions builds clarity and control * High performers often burn out quietly before it becomes obvious * True success includes strong relationships, purpose, and impact KEYWORDS burnout, mental fitness, resilience, high stress careers, law enforcement mental health, survival mode, mindset training, performance psychology, stress management, emotional resilience, identity and purpose, self-awareness, leadership mindset, first responder wellness, mental health habits, personal development, habit building, cognitive performance, work-life balance, recovery and performance

What Great Leaders Do Under Pressure | General Mike Oster

In this episode of Iron and Empathy, host Drew Moldenhauer sits down with retired U.S. Army Brigadier General Mike Oster to explore leadership, trust, and decision-making under pressure. Drawing from decades of military leadership, Mike shares lessons on building high-performing teams, empowering others, owning mistakes, and why the strongest leaders prioritize people first while maintaining accountability and mission focus. Throughout the conversation, Mike emphasizes that great leadership starts with trust, attitude, and preparation. From seeing challenges as opportunities to creating teams where excellence becomes the standard, he offers practical insights for leaders in any field on how to build resilient teams, lead with empathy, and develop a culture where people feel valued, supported, and motivated to perform at their best. Reach out to Drew and sign up for newsletters and podcast updates at Blue-Ethos.com [http://Blue-Ethos.com] To connect with Mike Oster, learn more about his speaking, or find his book It Starts with Attitude visit his Website: MikeOster.com [http://MikeOster.com] TAKEAWAYS * Teams move at the speed of trust * Great leaders own mistakes and build credibility through accountability * Challenges should be seen as opportunities, not issues * Preparation reduces poor decisions under pressure * People-first leadership strengthens performance and cohesion * Excellence begins with attitude and daily choices KEYWORDS Leadership, trust, team building, decision-making under pressure, accountability, people-first leadership, organizational culture, military leadership, crisis leadership, emotional intelligence, communication, resilience, leadership development, attitude, excellence, mission command, team cohesion, ownership, empowerment, strategic leadership, high-performing teams, disciplined initiative, leadership mindset, problem solving, seeing opportunities not issues, public safety leadership, mentorship, workplace culture, servant leadership, performance under pressure, leadership lessons

Crisis Cops: The Human Side of Crisis Response with HBO Star Ernie Stevens

In this episode of Iron and Empathy, Drew Moldenhauer speaks with Ernie “Ernest” Stevens, a 28-year law enforcement veteran, about how crisis intervention training transformed his approach to policing. A pivotal moment early in his career—hearing a mother describe her son’s mental illness—pushed him to take mental health seriously and ultimately help build a mental health unit within the San Antonio Police Department. His work later gained national recognition, including being featured in the Emmy Award-winning HBO documentary Ernie and Joe: Crisis Cops. Ernie shares why safety must be redefined as the presence of wellbeing, not just the absence of crime, and how skills like empathy, active listening, and de-escalation can improve outcomes for both the community and officers. Reach out to Drew and sign up for newsletters and podcast updates at Blue-Ethos.com [http://Blue-Ethos.com] KEY TAKEAWAYS * Safety should be redefined as the presence of wellbeing, not just the absence of crime * Crisis intervention training can fundamentally change how officers respond to mental health calls * Personal transformation is essential—officers must change themselves before they can impact their communities * Active listening and empathy improve outcomes in both professional and personal interactions * De-escalation skills can reduce or eliminate the need for force—even in high-risk situations * Understanding legal tools (like involuntary holds) is critical for properly helping individuals in crisis * Mental health challenges exist both in the community and within law enforcement agencies * Asking direct, clear questions (e.g., about suicidal thoughts) is difficult—but necessary * Building trust and rapport is key to effective crisis response * Strong partnerships with community resources are essential for long-term success KEYWORDS mental health in law enforcement, crisis intervention training, de-escalation techniques, police mental health response, officer wellness, empathy in policing, crisis response models, community policing, behavioral health, law enforcement training, public safety leadership, trauma-informed policing, suicide awareness in law enforcement, active listening, police reform strategies