32. from Canadian competition dance to Harry Potter in London's West End with Laura June Ness

35. the dancer who got a PhD instead of staying in one box with Dr. Chloe Roberts

In today's episode, I sit down with Dr. Chloe Roberts; dancer, choreographer, Steps on Broadway faculty, Cooper Union professor, and the only person I know who holds a PhD in the history of witchcraft AND just sold out an evening-length dance show in New York City. She grew up in Houston (yes, another Roberts from Texas), trained at North Harris Performing Arts Academy, and built a career that refuses to fit in one box... and she did it completely on purpose. We talk about what it was like growing up with a Broadway production stage manager dad and a dancer mom, watching Mickey Rooney in the wings as a little kid, and how she accidentally fell back in love with dance through a college club audition. We get into her dissertation "The Demonological Republic of Letters: Judges, Lawyers, and Demonologists in Early Modern Europe" and exactly how studying the judicial persecution of women in 16th century France is directly connected to the choreography she is making right now. We talk about her Fulbright year in France, her marriage falling apart while she was there alone, and why she ran to a ballet studio six days a week to survive it. Chloe opens up about the year she turned 30 and how dance was the only thing that held her together. She talks about her sold-out NYC premiere PEOPLE, how her PhD literally made her a better choreographer, why she will never ask a dancer to work for free, and what it feels like to be 34, at the peak of your career, and still auditioning for Broadway. If you are someone who has ever been told you are too much of one thing and not enough of another, or who has had to build something out of a year that tried to break you, this one is for you. Stay in the loop with me 👇🏼🤍 Instagram: @kickingitrealpod @potentiallygabby TikTok: @potentiallygabby Episode requests: kickingitrealpod@gmail.com Find Chloe here 👇🏼 Instagram: @chloerobertsdance TikTok: @chloerobertsdance Website: chloerobertsdance.com

34. the reality of auditioning, ED recovery & life on a National Tour with Lariscy Navera

In today's episode, I sit down with Lariscy Navera, a classically trained performer and national touring artist currently on the road with Sesame Street Live: Elmo's Got the Moves, to talk about what the journey of a working professional dancer actually looks like. Lariscy opens up about being diagnosed with anorexia at 13 after a single comment from a dance teacher, and what it looked like to navigate disordered eating through her teens and early 20s while trying to build a career. She talks about leaving home at 17 to train with Orlando Ballet, burning out, buying a one-way ticket to New York City, and starting completely over in a new style with no voice training and zero musical theatre experience. We get into her Royal Caribbean days, what it actually takes to close a skill gap, how her height went from obstacle to her biggest asset, and the Sesame Street story, the park in New Zealand where she let herself cry about it, and the phone call months later that changed everything. We also talk about what a great audition season looks like even when you don't book anything, having goals outside of performing, and why your journey doesn't have to look like anyone else's. If you're a dancer, a performer, or anyone who has ever had to fight for the thing they love most... this one is for you. Stay in the loop with me 👇🏼🤍 Instagram: @kickingitrealpod @potentiallygabby TikTok: @potentiallygabby Episode requests: kickingitrealpod@gmail.com Find Lariscy here 👇🏼 Instagram: @lariscynavera TikTok: @lariscynavera

33. broadway, Wicked, and learning to do it scared with Shanna Vanderwerker

Shanna Vanderwerker has one of the most full-circle careers in musical theater: swing in the Broadway company of Wicked, Dance Captain of the First National Tour for nearly five years, Jeff-nominated choreographer, and now a professor at Roosevelt University training the next generation. But the story behind those credits is anything but straight. In this episode, Shanna takes us through the rejections, the almost-quits, and the moments nobody sees on a resume, including being told she wasn't the right look for reasons that had nothing to do with her dancing, the year Wicked went completely silent, and how she rebuilt her entire career identity after leaving New York. We also get into what she teaches her students that she wishes someone had told her sooner, why diversity in theater still isn't where it claims to be, and the two rules she lives by that she'll leave with you at the end. Stay in the loop with me 👇🏼🤍 Instagram: @kickingitrealpod @potentiallygabby TikTok: @potentiallygabby Episode requests: kickingitrealpod@gmail.com Find Shanna here 👇🏼 Instagram: @shannavdance shannavdance.com [http://shannavdance.com/]

32. from Canadian competition dance to Harry Potter in London's West End with Laura June Ness

This week I'm sitting down with Laura June Ness: Canadian dancer, aerialist, actress, and content creator who packed up her life and moved to London with no job lined up, no guarantee, and a whole lot of belief that it was possible. She's now in the cast of Harry Potter and the Cursed Child at London's Palace Theatre on the West End. We get into her full journey from competition dance at Canadian Dance Company to her BFA at Toronto Metropolitan University, to Norwegian Cruise Line right out of school, three years as a featured aerialist at Tokyo Disney Resort, Disney Cruise Line post-pandemic, and eventually the leap to London that changed everything. We talk about what it actually takes to move to another country with no job lined up, how the West End audition world works versus Broadway and why it's nearly impossible to get seen without an agency, body image culture in Japan and what it taught her about not absorbing other people's standards, and the 10% of her circle who didn't support the move and why those people aren't in her life anymore. We also get into burnout, scarcity mindset, why the performing industry trains dancers to be bad at business, and learning to advocate for yourself in the audition room. And she drops one of the best lines this podcast has ever heard: "I'm learning to let myself be the villain in someone else's story." If you've ever told yourself no before anyone else got the chance to... this one's for you. Stay in the loop with me 👇🏼🤍 Instagram: @kickingitrealpod @potentiallygabby TikTok: @potentiallygabby Episode requests: kickingitrealpod@gmail.com Find Laura here 👇🏼 Instagram & TikTok: @laura.june.ness YouTube: @laurajuneness

31. you're a human being, not a human dancing with Kathryn Morgan

In today's episode, I sit down with Kathryn Morgan, former soloist at New York City Ballet, YouTube powerhouse, and CEO of Kathryn Morgan Inc., to talk about what it actually looks like when your body becomes the thing working against you in a career that is entirely dependent on it. Kathryn shares her journey from booking NYCB at 17 and being promoted to soloist at 21, to gaining 40 pounds while dancing 8–10 hours a day, being dismissed by nine doctors, and ultimately choosing to leave one of the most prestigious ballet companies in the world to save her health. We also talk about starting her YouTube channel from a hospital chair during a four-hour blood test, building a platform that gave an entire generation of young dancers something they weren't getting anywhere else, and what her return to professional ballet at Miami City Ballet taught her about gratitude and perspective. Kathryn opens up about the body shaming culture still deeply embedded in ballet, why weight is always a byproduct and never the actual problem, and what directors need to stop doing immediately. If you're a dancer, a performer, or anyone who has ever had the thing you love most taken away from you, this one is going to hit. Stay in the loop with me 👇🏼🤍 Instagram: @kickingitrealpod @potentiallygabby TikTok: @potentiallygabby Episode requests: kickingitrealpod@gmail.com Find Kathryn here 👇🏼 YouTube: Kathryn Morgan IG: @kathryn_morgan Website: kathrynmorganonline.com