Were We “Good” or “Bad”?: Dutch Holocaust and Slavery Education with Dr. Joandi Hartendorp

What Kind Curiosity looks like when you stand up for others

In this episode, I sit down with Kyle Cronk [linkedin.com/in/kylecronk]. He is the President of the South Sound YMCA in Olympia [https://southsoundymca.org/], WA. Kyle is a sis-gender white man who uses his privilege to provide a platform for marginalized people. He speaks to how advocacy is not a linear journey and why the real work makes you uncomfortable at times. We also discuss his B.A.R framework and how he used it to transform the South Sound YMCA [https://southsoundymca.org/] into one that welcomes diversity and inclusion. Not just for members, but also for his staff and volunteers. I reached out to Kyle because his posts would appear in my LinkedIn feed with content that was always uplifting and informative. This episode is our second conversation. Feel free to reach out to Kyle if you would like to touch base about the work he does and his B.A.R framework. And please have the AUDACITY to be KIND! (R) * White Supremacy Culture [https://www.whitesupremacyculture.info/]

S2E17: Who Gets Remembered? What Researchers Are Teaching Us About Slavery, the Holocaust, and National Memory

In this solo episode, I reflect on my conversation with Dr. Joandi Hartendorp and the bigger questions her research raises about how nations tell the truth about difficult history. Her work on Dutch Holocaust and Slavery education reveals how some atrocities. That contrast opens a larger conversation about how the United States teaches slavery, the Holocaust, and Black history. Joandi Hartendorp — Were we “good” or “bad”? Common ground in Dutch Slavery and Holocaust education [https://research.uvh.nl/nl/publications/were-we-good-or-bad-common-ground-in-dutch-slavery-and-holocaust-/] Michael Rothberg — Multidirectional Memory: Remembering the Holocaust in the Age of Decolonization [https://complit.ucla.edu/book/multidirectional-memory/] Susan Neiman — Learning from the Germans: Race and the Memory of Evil [https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/27/books/review/learning-from-the-germans-susan-neiman.html] Daina Ramey Berry & Kali Nicole Gross — A Black Women’s History of the United States [https://www.beacon.org/A-Black-Womens-History-of-the-United-States-P1524.aspx] Keisha N. Blain — Set the World on Fire: Black Nationalist Women and the Global Struggle for Freedom [https://www.si.edu/object/set-world-fire-black-nationalist-women-and-global-struggle-freedom-keisha-n-blain:siris_sil_1094166]

Were We “Good” or “Bad”?: Dutch Holocaust and Slavery Education with Dr. Joandi Hartendorp

In this episode, I talk with Dr. Joandi Hartendorp. She is a researcher, educator, and advisor whose PhD at the University of Humanistic Studies in Utrecht compares Dutch Holocaust education with Dutch slavery education. In her dissertation [chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://research.uvh.nl/ws/portalfiles/portal/58761801/Common_ground_in_Holocaust_and_Slavery_education_Joandi_Hartendorp.pdf], Were we “good” or “bad”? Common ground in Dutch Slavery and Holocaust education, she asks how textbooks, teachers, and commemorations shape collective memory of “sensitive history”—and how they often minimize Dutch perpetration in both cases. We speak about our shared experience of being Black and raising our daughters in a world that seems them as the least of the "others." The most surprising aspect of this conversation for me was the mention of Black Pete (Zwarte Piet) and how for years of her young life she did not realize it was racist. I will be sure to have her back to discuss the progress of making Queen Nikkolah day, the celebration of the land.

Welcome to Season 2 of the Kind Curiosity Podcast

Welcome to season two. I want to thank you if you have followed me previously and if you are new. This episode speaks to the guests I plan to have and my goal of dispelling misinformation. I dive deeper into why I started this podcast and what I hope to accomplish. Again, thank you for listening. Please comment so that I can learn as I go and to provide more content on what you would like to hear. As always thank you for joining and please Have the AUDACITY to be KIND!

Kind Curiosity: What I've learned so far

In this episode (14 to be exact) I review what I have learned thus far. This has been an amazing three months and I am proud of what I have done thus far. I do however, have more to learn and I would like to share what that is with you. I speak to what I have learned from each of my guests and how it has given me hope. My podcast release schedule will change to every other Monday. This will give me time to really investigate my guests and to present factual information for you with the data that I've found. If you have been with me from the beginning, I would like to say thank you for being a loyal listener. I know your time is precious and I do not take it for grant. If this is your first episode, I would also like to say thank you. Thank you for taking the time to expand your listening palate and for choosing my podcast to do so. I hope that you and my loyal listeners will continue with me on this journey of presenting Kind Curiosity in this divisive world we are in. My name if Felicia, thank you for your time and please have the AUDACITY to be KIND!