Ncazelo Ncube-Milo: A Culturally Sensitive Approach to Trauma and Narrative Healing

Ncazelo Ncube-Milo: A Culturally Sensitive Approach to Trauma and Narrative Healing

In this episode of Lunch with Leaders, host Adaeze Iloeje-Udeogalanya⁠⁠⁠⁠ [⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/adaeze-iloeje-udeogalanya⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠] interviews psychologist Ncazelo Ncube-Milo [https://www.linkedin.com/in/ncazelo-ncube-49412751/]. Internationally recognized for her culturally sensitive trauma work, Ncazelo discusses the global impact of the Tree of Life methodology, now used in 30+ countries. The conversation explores narrative healing, the power of storytelling in recovery, and how reclaiming cultural identity leads to personal transformation. This episode offers a unique perspective on leadership through community healing and the "re-authoring" of one's life story in 2026. Who is this for? This content is for mental health professionals, community leaders, and women in STEM seeking culturally sensitive approaches to healing. It is relevant for those dealing with trauma or identity challenges who want to move beyond "problem-saturated" narratives and reconnect with their inherent strengths. Timestamps * 01:29 – Intro to Ncazelo Ndlovu and her international trauma work. * 03:51 – Origins of the Tree of Life methodology in Zimbabwe. * 05:57 – The Tree metaphor: Roots, Heritage, and Hopes. * 07:51 – What is Narrative Therapy? Moving beyond the "problem story." * 09:36 – Reconnecting with "second stories" and personal agency. * 11:54 – Previewing the workshop for women in STEM. * 14:48 – The power of witnessing and communal healing. * 35:42 – Closing remarks and how to support the mission. FAQs * What is the Tree of Life methodology? A counseling tool using tree metaphors to help people talk about their strengths and heritage without being overwhelmed by trauma. * How does Narrative Therapy differ from traditional therapy? It helps individuals separate themselves from their problems and find "alternative stories" of hope and skill. * Can this work in professional settings? Yes. Ncazelo helps leaders rediscover their "magic sauce" and align their work with core values. Action Steps 1. Map Your Roots: Write down the traditions and people that make you strong. 2. Identify Your "Second Story": Intentionally look for a story of a time you were successful or hopeful when facing a problem. 3. Practice Witnessing: Listen to a colleague's story without judgment, focusing on their demonstrated strengths. 4. Join the Workshop: Participate in the upcoming Tree of Life session to experience narrative healing firsthand. Audit Your Narrative: Ask yourself, "Is the story I'm telling right now bringing me hope or keeping me stuck?" Website: https://phola.org [https://phola.org/ ] LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ncazelo-ncube-49412751 [https://www.linkedin.com/in/ncazelo-ncube-49412751/]

Season 1 Finale: 50 Episodes of Leading Boldly - 051

In this Season 1 finale of Lunch with Leaders, host Adaeze Iloeje-Udeogalanya⁠⁠⁠ [⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/adaeze-iloeje-udeogalanya⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠] synthesizes 50 episodes of leadership insights for women in STEM. As a leadership strategist and founder of African Women in STEM, Adaeze outlines five essential career shifts: Performance to Positioning, Expert to Leader, Proving to Conviction, Isolation to Connection, and Hesitation to AI Fluency. This episode serves as a roadmap for 2026, helping high-achieving women amplify their visibility, secure sponsorships, and leverage AI to accelerate their path to executive leadership. Who is this for? This special bonus episode is for ambitious women in STEM and mid-career professionals who feel stuck despite their hard work. It is designed for leaders ready to stop "putting their heads down" and start navigating the changing rules of senior-level career advancement. Key Moments Adaeze celebrates a major milestone: 50 episodes of Launch with Leaders, now ranking in the top 5% of podcasts globally (01:09). She introduces the "Five Authority Shifts," a strategic framework to move from being an indispensable expert to a recognized leader (04:58).  A critical highlight is the discussion on the "Broken Rung" and the AI frontier, where she reveals that women are adopting AI at 25% lower rates than men, creating a new digital gap in leadership (16:30). She concludes with a powerful call to lead with conviction, urging women to drop the qualifiers and over-explaining that can inadvertently undermine their authority (19:21). Timestamps * 01:09 – Celebrating 50 Episodes and Season 1 milestones. * 03:02 – Why the "work hard" formula stops working at senior levels. * 05:13 – Shift 1: Performance vs. Positioning (The 10% vs. 90% rule). * 08:02 – Shift 2: Moving from technical expert to strategic leader. * 10:46 – Shift 3: Leading with conviction and dropping qualifiers. * 14:01 – Shift 4: Strategic connection and the power of sponsorship. * 16:30 – Shift 5: Becoming AI fluent to close the competence gap. * 23:17 – Season 1 Stats: Reaching 54 countries and top 5% ranking. FAQs * Why isn't my hard work getting me promoted? Hard work only accounts for 10% of success at senior levels; the other 90% is visibility, relationships, and personal brand. * What is the "Broken Rung"? It's the first step up to management where women, especially women of color, fall behind men in promotion rates. * How can AI help my leadership? AI won't replace your judgment, but becoming fluent in it amplifies your impact and prevents you from being rated as less competent than male peers. Action Steps 1. Audit Your Visibility: Identify three key decision-makers who need to know your impact, not just your output. 2. Practice Conviction: In your next meeting, lead with your conclusion first and avoid over-explaining your data unless asked. 3. Find a Sponsor: Look for an advocate in a room you aren't in yet who can speak for your leadership potential. 4. 30-Day AI Challenge: Pick one AI tool and use it daily for real tasks to build fluency and visible results. Leave a Review: Support the mission by sharing how these 50 episodes have impacted your career growth. Resources ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/adaeze-iloeje-udeogalanya⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Leadership Edge Diagnostic⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [⁠https://link.africanwomeninstem.com/authorityshiftassessment⁠]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [ ⁠https://link.africanwomeninstem.com/StrategyCall⁠] ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Book a Strategy Call with ⁠⁠Adaeze Iloeje-Udeogalanya⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [ ⁠https://link.africanwomeninstem.com/StrategyCall⁠] ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow Adaeze Iloeje-Udeogalanya on LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/adaeze-iloeje-udeogalanya⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠] ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow African Women in STEM on LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/company/african-women-in-stem/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠] ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow African Women in STEM on Instagram ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.instagram.com/africanwomenin_stem/]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.instagram.com/africanwomenin_stem/] ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Join the African Women in STEM Membership⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://link.africanwomeninstem.com/MEMBERSHIP⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠] ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Visit the African Women in STEM Website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://africanwomeninstem.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠] ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://africanwomeninstem.com] ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Watch Adaeze Iloeje-Udeogalanya's ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TEDX Talk⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://youtu.be/xYcVJJKBQrY]

DeeDee Fisher: STEM Leadership | From Tension to Intentional Communication - 050

In this episode of Lunch with Leaders, host Adaeze Iloeje-Udeogalanya⁠⁠ [⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/adaeze-iloeje-udeogalanya⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠] sits down with leadership expert DeeDee Fisher [https://www.linkedin.com/in/deedee-fisher/] to unpack the CPL Framework. As a TEDx speaker and leadership strategist, Adaeze guides a conversation focused on Compassion, Process, and Learning to help leaders in STEM amplify their visibility and influence. The discussion centers on emotional intelligence in 2026, offering practical strategies to handle high-stakes communication, reduce workplace friction, and cultivate a leadership mindset grounded in self-awareness and proactive empathy. Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/deedee.fisher/ [https://www.instagram.com/deedee.fisher/ ] TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@deedeefishercpl [https://www.tiktok.com/@deedeefishercpl] Website: deedeefisher.com [http://discoverresponse.com/about/] Timestamps * 00:26 – Introduction to Lunch with Leaders and guest DeeDee Fisher. * 02:44 – Breaking down the CPL Framework: Compassion, Process, and Learning. * 07:20 – The Harvard Story: How assumptions stall progress. * 09:34 – Applying Emotional Intelligence to high-stakes meetings. * 15:30 – The power of asking: "How did you get there?" to start a dialogue. * 30:17 – DeeDee’s origin story: Lessons from rural Idaho to global consulting. * 36:54 – Actionable advice: Interviewing your circle for self-awareness. * 48:51 – Closing remarks and how to connect with the guest. FAQs * What is the CPL Framework? It stands for Compassion, Process, and Learning. It’s a method to pause reactions and choose a more constructive path. * How do I handle a non-responsive email? Practice compassion. Instead of assuming negativity, consider neutral or positive reasons for the delay to save your emotional energy. * Why is self-awareness critical for STEM leaders? It allows you to identify your "magic sauce"—the unique value you bring that you might otherwise take for granted. Action Steps 1. Catch the Reaction: The next time you feel tension, stop and tell yourself a compassionate story about the situation, even if you aren't sure it's true yet. 2. Define the Outcome: Before your next high-stakes meeting, write down the desired outcome for both yourself and the other party. 3. The Magic Sauce Interview: Ask three trusted colleagues or friends, "What do you think is my unique contribution to the world?" 4. Practice the "Mantra": Use the phrase "I never thought of it that way" to shift from a defensive stance to a curious one. 5. Audit Your Dialogue: Notice if you are making "POV statements" or actually engaging in a dialogue that includes the "why."

Future-Proof Your STEM Career: The AI Advantage for Women - 049

Adaeze Iloeje-Udeogalanya⁠ [⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/adaeze-iloeje-udeogalanya⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠], a leadership strategist, addresses the persistent promotion gap for women in STEM, particularly in 2026. She argues that while AI’s rapid evolution threatens to widen this disparity, strategically embracing AI is crucial for career advancement. Adaeze Iloeje-Udeogalanya introduces a four-part framework: auditing AI usage, mastering one AI tool, making AI-driven impact visible, and aligning AI skills with future leadership roles. This approach empowers women to bridge the broken rung, enhance visibility, and secure desired career opportunities, emphasizing proactive AI integration for professional success. Who is this for? This content targets senior women in STEM seeking AI-driven career advancement, increased visibility, and leadership gap closure. It is for those aiming to strategically position themselves for future opportunities and professional growth. Timestamps * 00:00 - 00:57: Introduction to Logic Leaders podcast and Adaeze Iloeje-Udeogalanya. * 00:57 - 02:30: The challenge of being overlooked and the expectation for women in STEM to work harder. * 02:30 - 05:13: The changing world of work, AI’s impact, and its role in the promotion gap. * 05:13 - 08:24: Data on the broken rung and the disparity in AI tool encouragement for women. * 08:24 - 11:43: Strategies for leveraging AI, including personal use and strategic utilization for visible impact. * 11:43 - 17:51: The four-part framework for career advancement with AI and closing the gap. * 17:51 - 20:10: Promotion of Leadership Edge Diagnostic, strategy call, and call to action. FAQs 1. Broken rung in STEM? Disparity in promotions for women (McKinsey 2025 data: 93 women, 74 women of color per 100 men). 2. AI’s impact on women’s STEM careers? AI can widen the promotion gap if not embraced, but offers a competitive edge for visibility and opportunities. 3. Why aren’t women in STEM leveraging AI more? Only 21% are encouraged by managers to use AI at work, vs. 33% of men, hindering skill development. 4. Four-part AI framework? 1) Audit tasks for AI optimization, 2) Master one AI tool, 3) Make AI impact visible, 4) Connect AI skills to next-level roles. 5. How to use AI if not encouraged at work? Start with personal tasks (project management, household) and transfer learned skills to the workplace. Action Steps 1. Audit AI Usage: Analyze daily tasks for AI optimization opportunities. 2. Master One AI Tool: Choose and deeply learn one relevant AI tool. 3. Make Impact Visible: Communicate AI’s value (time-saving, productivity) to leaders. 4. Position for Next Level: Use AI to demonstrate readiness for desired future roles. 5. Take Leadership Edge Diagnostic: Assess leadership standing at link.africanwomeninstem.com/leadership. Book Strategy Call: Senior women in STEM can book a complimentary Authority Shift Strategy Call. Resources ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/adaeze-iloeje-udeogalanya⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Leadership Edge Diagnostic⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [⁠https://link.africanwomeninstem.com/authorityshiftassessment⁠]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [ ⁠https://link.africanwomeninstem.com/StrategyCall⁠] ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Book a Strategy Call with ⁠⁠Adaeze Iloeje-Udeogalanya⁠⁠⁠⁠ [ ⁠https://link.africanwomeninstem.com/StrategyCall⁠] ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow Adaeze Iloeje-Udeogalanya on LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/adaeze-iloeje-udeogalanya⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠] ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow African Women in STEM on LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/company/african-women-in-stem/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠] ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow African Women in STEM on Instagram ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.instagram.com/africanwomenin_stem/]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.instagram.com/africanwomenin_stem/] ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Join the African Women in STEM Membership⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://link.africanwomeninstem.com/MEMBERSHIP⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠] ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Visit the African Women in STEM Website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://africanwomeninstem.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠] ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://africanwomeninstem.com] ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Watch Adaeze Iloeje-Udeogalanya's ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TEDX Talk⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://youtu.be/xYcVJJKBQrY]

Marsha Evans, LPC-S: How to Lead in STEM Without Losing Your Hair or Your Sleep - 048

High-achieving women in STEM are burning out because they are honoring invisible childhood "contracts" that reward overwork, but true leadership requires reconnecting with the body to rip up those old agreements and build a sustainable identity. In this episode of Lunch with Leaders, host Adaeze Iloeje-Udeogalanya [⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/adaeze-iloeje-udeogalanya⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠] (TEDx speaker and leadership strategist) sits down with Marsha Evans LPC-S [https://www.linkedin.com/in/marshaevanslpc/], a therapist who blends traditional cognitive behavioral therapy with holistic modalities like Reiki, sound healing, and VR technology. They tackle a critical issue for women in STEM and leadership: the hidden cost of the “hustle contract.” Adaeze opens up about her previous mindset of wanting to outsource her entire life to give 150%, realizing that never lying down unless sick was a badge of honor—but a dangerous one. Marsha reframes this drive as a “contract” signed in childhood, often rooted in family systems where overworking was normalized. The conversation reveals why high-achieving women burn out: not because they are weak, but because they are rewarded for over-giving until their bodies intervene. Key insights include the biological reality of the 90-second emotion rule, why autoimmune diseases and weight retention are often the body “keeping score” of disconnected living, and the simplicity of reconnecting with your “little you” to find your true identity. Marsha introduces practical, trauma-informed strategies for leaders to date their bodies, track their baselines, and build a wellness team with the same rigor they build a boardroom strategy. The episode concludes that healing isn’t lying down—it is the ultimate leadership strategy for sustainable impact. Marsha Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/marshalistens/ [https://www.instagram.com/marshalistens/] Marsha's Website: https://marshalistens.com [https://marshalistens.com ] FAQs 1. Why do high achievers often get autoimmune diseases? According to Marsha, the body always communicates "I don't want to do this anymore," but we are trained to ignore it for dopamine hits (accolades, promotions). When we consistently override physical boundaries, the body "keeps score" resulting in inflammation, weight retention, and hair loss. To implement in your own leadership or share with your STEM audience: 1. Audit Your "Contracts": Take 15 minutes to write down three "rules" you live by (e.g., "I never lie down unless sick"). Next to each, write who taught you that (parent, teacher, culture). Ask: Does this rule serve my 2026 body? 2. Date Your Body (The Baseline): For five days, rate your chest tightness or fatigue on a scale of 1-10 (morning, noon, night). Do not judge the numbers—just collect data. Look for patterns linking high numbers to specific meetings or people. Timestamps (Key Moments) * [00:00] Introduction: The mindset of outsourcing your entire life to give 150%. * [03:15] The "Contracts" we unknowingly sign in childhood (family systems and work ethic). * [06:30] Why never lying down isn't a badge of honor—it’s a warning sign. * [08:45] The physical cost: Autoimmune diseases, hair loss, and why Black women aren't heard in medical spaces. * [12:00] Disconnection from identity: Quitting the basketball scholarship and moving to rural family land. * [15:20] The simple hack: Go back to what "little you" loved (e.g., riding bikes). * [18:45] How to track your burnout baseline (sleep, chest tightness, driving home feelings). * [22:10] The 90-second rule for releasing emotions vs. looping them. * [25:30] Blending tech with healing: Using VR and sound baths for deeper subconscious release. * [29:00] The one action step: Write a letter to your younger self or do one small childhood activity. * [32:15] Marsha’s legacy: Being the hand that walks you to the door so you realize you had the keys all along.