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From OKRs to OHLs – A New Approach with Radhika Dutt Welcome to the Product Masterclass Podcast! In this episode, Sebastian Borggrewe sits down with Radhika Dutt, author of Radical Product Thinking, to challenge traditional goal-setting frameworks like OKRs and introduce a new approach: OHLs (Objectives, Hypotheses, Learnings). They explore how metrics can be corrupted by targets, the pitfalls of sandbagging, and why rigid OKRs often constrain teams to outdated goals. Radhika shares insights from her research and experience, advocating for a shift towards experimentation, collaborative problem-solving, and understanding the story behind the numbers. This conversation will help product managers rethink how they set goals and measure success. What You’ll Learn in This Episode 🚩 Why traditional OKRs can lead to corrupted metrics 📊 The difference between metrics vs. targets and why it matters 🔄 How OHLs promote experimentation and problem-solving 🛠️ Why leaders should define problem statements, not just set targets 🎯 How qualitative insights are just as important as numbers 💡 How to implement OHLs at a grassroots level within your organization Chapters 00:02- Introduction & How Radhika and Sebastian Met 02:26 - Radhika’s New Book: The Problem with OKRs 06:59 - Why OKRs Fail: Sandbagging, Psychology & The Spotify Model 11:21 - Metrics vs. Goals: Why Goal-Setting Can Backfire 18:37 - The Power of Storytelling & Experimentation Over Targets 23:23 - Introducing OHLs: A Better Approach to Metrics 28:08 - How to Manage Expectations Without OKRs 38:20 - Implementing OHLs: Where to Start 45:08 - Moving Beyond OKRs: A New Way of Thinking 47:37 - Just Product Conference & Radhika’s Workshop 50:33 - Q&A: Strategy, Measurement & Adoption of OHLs 56:30 - Closing & How to Get Involved Links & Resources Radical Product Thinking by Radhika Dutt [https://amzn.eu/d/dTUDgFT] Product Masterclass – Take Your Product Skills to the Next Level Connect With Us Sebastian Borggrewe on LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/sebastianborggrewe/] Radhika Dutt on LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/radhika-dutt/] Follow Product Masterclass on LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/company/product-masterclass/] 🎧 Enjoyed this episode? Don’t forget to subscribe and leave a review! Got feedback or suggestions for future topics? Reach out—we’d love to hear from you!
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