Trauma Bonds, Abandonment & Unsafe Love | Petrona Joseph

Blindsided by Divorce: Why Men Don’t See It Coming

If she left and you never saw it coming, you’re not broken — and you’re not alone. Book a free discovery call → theloomlife.com In this “For the Boys” episode, Leslie Mathews — former attorney turned coach — unpacks one of the most common experiences divorced men share in private: “I didn’t see it coming.” Meanwhile, on the other side of that sentence, his wife is certain she’d been telling him for years. How can both be true? Around 65–75% of U.S. divorces are initiated by women, and the number climbs in the “gray divorce” (over-40s and over-50s) demographic. Leslie researched what’s actually happening underneath the so-called “walk-away wife” phenomenon — and found five dynamics that explain the blindsiding, with respect for both sides. This isn’t about blame. It’s about turning a confusing loss into a knowable pattern you can understand, grieve, and — if you choose — do differently next time. Whether you’re post-divorce or still inside a marriage you want to save, this conversation gives you language and a way forward. Inside this episode: The Complaint–Decision Asymmetry — why the day her complaining stopped was the loudest signal, not peace Selective hearing and the avoidant nervous system — how years of “I’m not happy” register as background noise The cultural script that treated logistics as love — and mistook structure for substance Hearing vs. taking seriously — the hardest one, and the difference that quietly ends marriages Grief asymmetry — why she can seem “cold” when she’s actually already finished grieving Plus: what to do now — the one question to ask if you’re still in your marriage, and how to become a different kind of listener. → Work with Leslie (1:1 coaching): theloomlife.com → Florida therapy clients: loomlifetherapy.com → Book a free discovery call: [INSERT DIRECT BOOKING LINK — see verification box] This is part of a three-episode set for men. Listen alongside Episode 6 (anger and the grief underneath it) and Episode 7 (men and friendships / building support). They can be heard in any order. Connect with Leslie: Websites: theloomlife.com · loomlifetherapy.com · leslieellenmathews.com Instagram: @the.loom.life · TikTok: @leslieellenmathews If section four landed for you, drop a comment — other men are reading, and they need to know they’re not alone. #DivorceForMen #GrayDivorce #DivorceRecovery #MensMentalHealth #LifeAfterDivorce 00:00 Welcome — “I didn’t see it coming” 02:00 How both things can be true (Leslie’s own divorce) 03:30 The stats: women initiate 65–75% of divorces 04:00 The “walk-away wife” phenomenon — used carefully 07:00 This isn’t blame: what to know before the five 08:00 #1 The Complaint–Decision Asymmetry 11:00 #2 Selective hearing & the avoidant nervous system 12:30 #3 The cultural script: logistics vs. feeling 14:30 #4 Hearing vs. taking it seriously 18:30 #5 Grief asymmetry — why she seems “cold” 20:30 What to do: recognition without shame 21:30 The grief work + Episodes 6 & 7 23:00 Still in the marriage? Ask the separate question 24:00 Real compromise: meeting needs without losing yourself 27:00 Post-divorce: become a different kind of listener 28:30 Closing & how to work with Leslie

Trauma Bonds, Abandonment & Unsafe Love | Petrona Joseph

Why do we keep choosing partners who hurt us? In this episode, mental health advocate and author Petrona Joseph joins Leslie to unpack trauma bonds, unsafe love, and the abandonment wound that drives the loop. ▶ WORK WITH LESLIE 8-week divorce recovery program — THROUGH: https://theloomlife.com/throughdivorceprogram [https://theloomlife.com/throughdivorceprogram] 1:1 coaching with Leslie: https://theloomlife.com [https://theloomlife.com] ▶ ABOUT THIS EPISODE Petrona Joseph spent years pushing through panic attacks, depression, and a 17-year on-and-off relationship she now recognizes as a trauma bond. In this conversation she shares the moment her anxiety stopped her on a bridge in rush hour, why she resisted antidepressants for a decade, and how a primary caregiver's absence early in life shaped the unsafe partners she kept choosing as an adult. Leslie and Petrona dig into the neuroscience of trauma bonds (why they feel exactly like love), what "closing the loop" of a childhood wound actually looks like in adult relationships, and why most men in their 40s, 50s, and 60s still don't have a single safe person to talk to. This one is for anyone who has watched themselves return — over and over — to a person who keeps hurting them, and is starting to wonder if it's something deeper than love. ▶ WHAT YOU'LL LEARN Why trauma bonds get mistaken for love — and the biological reason the pull is so strong How an abandonment wound from childhood shapes who you're attracted to as an adult The difference between an unsafe person and someone who is just imperfect What it looked like for Petrona to finally accept a depression diagnosis after years of resistance Why "experiential" mental health advocacy matters alongside clinical expertise The state of men's mental health and why most men have no safe people ▶ ABOUT THE GUEST Petrona Joseph is an award-winning Communications Strategist, Presidential Lifetime Achievement Award recipient, and MHFA-certified Mental Health Workshop Facilitator. A trilingual Concordia University graduate in Linguistics, she is the author of Stigmatized: Demystifying Mental Health Illness and the upcoming Unsafe Love: Healing From Trauma Bonds, Betrayal, and Unsafe Attachment. Through Above Healing and Wellness, she has reached over 10,000 people across North America with workshops on resilience and early intervention. Timestamp: 00:00 Welcome Petrona Joseph 02:10 Thinking in French and growing up multilingual 05:05 From Trinidad to Grenada, New York, and Montreal 08:20 Ambition, law school, and ignoring mental health 13:30 Luxury cars, PR, TV, and finding a new path 19:45 Becoming “the annoying best friend” in PR 22:00 Anxiety attacks and the beginning of advocacy 30:10 The bridge panic attack that changed everything 36:20 Accepting medication and getting support 43:00 Healing is not a one-time fix 49:30 When anxiety affects everyday life 56:00 Going public about panic attacks 1:02:00 Writing about depression and mental health 1:08:00 Unsafe Love and trauma bonds 1:15:30 Why trauma bonds feel like love 1:24:00 Childhood wounds and repeating patterns 1:33:30 Attachment, abandonment, and trying to close the loop 1:43:00 When relationships become a place for healing 1:56:00 What secure love and repair can look like 2:10:00 Building psychologically safe relationships and cultures 2:18:30 Becoming a safe person after unsafe patterns 2:28:00 Mental health crisis support and men’s mental health 2:40:00 Why men need safe spaces too 2:52:00 Petrona’s books and where to find her 2:57:00 Closing reflections and goodbye Follow Petrona on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iampetronajoseph [https://www.instagram.com/iampetronajoseph] ▶ CONNECT WITH LESLIE Website: https://theloomlife.com [https://theloomlife.com] Therapy practice: https://loomlifetherapy.com [https://loomlifetherapy.com] Personal site: https://leslieellenmathews.com [https://leslieellenmathews.com] Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/the.loom.life [https://www.instagram.com/the.loom.life] TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@leslieellenmathews [https://www.tiktok.com/@leslieellenmathews] ▶ IF THIS EPISODE HELPED Subscribe, leave a 5-star rating on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, and share this episode with someone you think needs to hear it. Reviews are how new listeners find the show. #TraumaBonds #UnsafeLove #MentalHealthPodcast #DivorceRecovery #AbandonmentWound #AvoidantAttachment #PullingThreads

Male Loneliness: Why Men Lose Friends After 40

Why do so many men have no close friends by 50? In For the Boys (Ep. 7), Leslie pulls back the threads on male loneliness — and the hidden flaw in how men build friendship. → Work with Leslie 1:1 (book a discovery call): theloomlife.com → In Florida? Therapy with Leslie: loomlifetherapy.com → More from Leslie: leslieellenmathews.com → Instagram @the.loom.life · TikTok @leslieellenmathews ——— If something bad happened tonight, who would you call at ten o’clock just to be heard? If you struggled to name someone — or named someone you haven’t actually called in years — you’re not unusual. You’re statistically average for a man in your demographic, and it’s one of the quietest, most costly features of modern male life. In this episode, Leslie looks directly at male loneliness and the friendship gap so many men hit in their 40s, 50s, and 60s. Studies over the last two decades show a steady decline in close male friendships — with roughly 15% of men reporting no close friends at all, and about one in four saying they have no one to lean on for personal support. The isolation tends to climb after marriage, fatherhood, divorce, and retirement. The core idea: most men’s friendships are built on “activity scaffolding” — you’re friends because you golf, work, or your kids play together. When the activity ends, the friendship quietly ends with it, because the activity WAS the connection. Women more often build on “disclosure scaffolding” — friendships held together by what’s been shared — which is far more portable. Divorce is one of the most efficient scaffolding-removers there is. Leslie walks through the three steps that actually rebuild connection in midlife: 1) Decide to build friendship on purpose — it won’t arrive by accident. 2) Choose disclosure on purpose — tell one man something slightly more honest than your default. 3) Build a structure that does the work for you — a men’s group, a recovery community, or a standing dinner with a rule to talk about the real thing. This is the most important non-romantic relational work a man can do — and it protects the next relationship from carrying weight no single person was meant to hold. A note on support This conversation touches on isolation and men’s mental health. If you’re struggling, you don’t have to carry it alone. In the U.S. you can call or text 988 anytime to reach the Suicide & Crisis Lifeline. CHAPTERS (see timestamps below — verify against final video before publishing). Keywords: male loneliness, midlife male friendship, men with no friends, how to make friends as a man, male friendship after divorce, men’s mental health, life after divorce for men. #ForTheBoys #MensMentalHealth #MaleLoneliness #PullingThreads #LifeAfterDivorce 00:00 The Question: Who Would You Call at 10pm? 01:10 For the Boys, Ep. 7 — The Friendship Piece 02:50 The Hard Facts: Male Friendship in Decline 04:40 Why Men Around 50 Are High Risk 06:00 The Fatal Flaw: Activity Scaffolding 07:50 How Women Build Friendships Differently 08:50 Why Divorce Removes the Scaffolding 09:40 The Script Men Were Raised With 14:50 When You Reach for the Phone — and There’s No One 15:40 Step 1: Build Friendship on Purpose 16:30 Step 2: Choose Disclosure With One Man 17:30 Step 3: Build a Structure That Does the Work 18:50 Don’t Put It All on the Next Partner 20:00 Closing + How to Work With Leslie

Money Blocks are Trauma: Why Abundance Work Fails

Money is never just money. In this solo episode of Pulling Threads, Leslie Mathews explores why money affirmations and manifestation so often fail — and why real abundance work has to happen in the body, the nervous system, and the family story you inherited. ➤ Ready to do this work with support? Book a free discovery call: https://theloomlife.com/discoverycall [https://theloomlife.com/discoverycall] ➤ More from The Loom Life: https://theloomlife.com [https://theloomlife.com] You can repeat “money flows to me easily” until you believe you mean it and still feel a quiet ceiling you can’t push through. That’s not a mindset failure. The part of your nervous system that decides what you’re allowed to receive isn’t listening to your affirmations — it’s listening to your history. In this episode, Leslie unspools the tangle of money one thread at a time: the legacy burdens we inherit from parents and grandparents, the protective “parts” that overwork, under-earn, hoard, or give too much away, and the complex trauma that can make expansion feel physically dangerous. She breaks down how money wounds show up differently for women — the “good girl” conditioning around wanting and receiving — and for men — the provider equation and the shame of feeling “not enough to carry it.” And she explains why divorce is one of the most accelerated abundance journeys a person can move through. Then she gets practical, walking through the tools that actually move this work: Internal Family Systems (IFS) for the protective parts, EMDR for the specific memories that locked them in place, and subconscious work through guided meditation and hypnosis. This is a science-meets-spirit conversation about learning to feel safe enough to receive. Whether you’re years post-divorce like Leslie or just starting to notice your own money ceiling, this is a gentle, honest invitation to meet your money story with curiosity instead of shame. IN THIS EPISODE Why “money is never just money” — and what it’s really carrying Legacy burdens: the money beliefs you inherited without consenting to them How protective parts quietly run your financial life (IFS) When abundance becomes neurologically “dangerous” The different money wounds women and men carry Why divorce surfaces every unhealed money belief Using IFS, EMDR, and subconscious work together CHAPTERS 00:00 — Why affirmations alone don’t move the money ceiling 00:50 — What this episode is about (science meets spirit) 03:00 — The layer beneath the story: your body’s history 06:00 — Why money is never just money 08:00 — Legacy burdens: the beliefs you inherited 10:30 — Your protective money parts (IFS) 12:00 — When complex trauma makes abundance feel dangerous 14:30 — Watch what your parents did, not what they said 18:00 — The deeper inheritance: generational money wounds 19:00 — Women & “good girl” money conditioning 22:00 — Men & the provider equation 24:00 — Divorce as an accelerated abundance journey 27:00 — Doing the work: IFS & unburdening 31:00 — EMDR for the memories that locked it in 34:00 — The subconscious layer: hypnosis & meditation 36:00 — Why you need all the tools, not one lane 40:00 — 4 places to start your own abundance work 43:00 — Working together & final thoughts RESOURCES & LINKS ➤ Book a free discovery call: https://theloomlife.com/discoverycall [https://theloomlife.com/discoverycall] ➤ THROUGH — 8-week divorce coaching program for women: https://theloomlife.com/throughdivorceprogram [https://theloomlife.com/throughdivorceprogram] ➤ Website: https://theloomlife.com [https://theloomlife.com] ➤ Loom Life Therapy: https://loomlifetherapy.com [https://loomlifetherapy.com] ➤ Instagram: @the.loom.life ➤ TikTok: @leslieellenmathews ➤ Email: leslie@theloomlife.com Modalities & tools mentioned in this episode: Internal Family Systems (IFS), EMDR, polyvagal theory, Gabby Bernstein’s Abundance Challenge, and the To Be Magnetic Money Block hypnosis. If this resonated, subscribe for new episodes of Pulling Threads, and leave a rating or review — it helps more people find this work. Keywords: money trauma, abundance blocks, IFS therapy, EMDR, money mindset, nervous system healing, divorce recovery, manifestation, somatic healing, money blocks #PullingThreads #MoneyTrauma #AbundanceMindset #IFSTherapy #DivorceRecovery

Burnout, Divorce & How to Start Over with Purpose

What if rock bottom is actually solid ground for the first time? Ariane Vera on starting over after burnout & divorce. ▸ THROUGH — Leslie's 8-week divorce coaching program: https://theloomlife.com/throughdivorceprogram [https://theloomlife.com/throughdivorceprogram] ▸ The Atelier — Ariane's membership for women building businesses: https://www.thejournalofahealer.com/p/the-atelier3 [https://www.thejournalofahealer.com/p/the-atelier3] In this episode of Pulling Threads, Weaving Authenticity, Leslie sits down with Ariane Vera — founder of The Atelier, 12-time author, and 3-time TEDx speaker — for a conversation about what it actually takes to restart your life when burnout, divorce, chronic pain, and a global lockdown all arrive at once. Ariane left the corporate world after a burnout her body had been warning her about for months. She moved to Mexico, started over from scratch, and turned her journaling practice into a book, a coaching method, and a membership community for women rebuilding their lives and businesses. Leslie and Ariane go deep on the parts of the journey most people don't talk about — the loneliness of outgrowing relationships, the fear of being too much, the patriarchal programming that teaches women to disappear, and the visibility wounds that quietly sabotage how we show up online. They also get into human design, re-parenting, money mindset, and why your podcast (or business, or art) only starts working when it's an energetic match for who you actually are. What you'll take away from this episode: • Why your body's signals matter more than your career plan • How to tell a "messy middle" friendship from one that's ready to break • Ariane's Inner Colors journaling method for tracking intuition and triggers • The difference between performing visibility and embodying it • How to price your work without flinching WORK WITH LESLIE ▸ THROUGH — 8-week divorce coaching program: https://theloomlife.com/throughdivorceprogram [https://theloomlife.com/throughdivorceprogram] ▸ 1:1 coaching — book a discovery call: https://theloomlife.com [https://theloomlife.com] ▸ Loom Life Therapy (EMDR, IFS, trauma): https://loomlifetherapy.com [https://loomlifetherapy.com] ▸ Leslie's writing & resources: https://leslieellenmathews.com [https://leslieellenmathews.com] CONNECT WITH ARIANE ▸ The Atelier membership: https://www.thejournalofahealer.com/p/the-atelier3 [https://www.thejournalofahealer.com/p/the-atelier3] ▸ The 30-Day Reset ($7): https://www.thejournalofahealer.com/p/the-30-day-reset-1024661 [https://www.thejournalofahealer.com/p/the-30-day-reset-1024661] ▸ Book — The Healing Journals (on Amazon) ▸ Instagram: @ariane__vera ▸ Substack: Heal & Scale FOLLOW PULLING THREADS ▸ Instagram: @the.loom.life ▸ TikTok: @leslieellenmathews ▸ Subscribe so you don't miss Thursday solo episodes and Saturday's new series for men. If this episode resonated, the kindest thing you can do is leave a rating, drop a comment with the moment that landed for you, and share it with one friend who's in the middle of their own restart. #PullingThreads #PersonalGrowthPodcast #DivorceRecovery #BurnoutRecovery #WomenInBusiness