Episode 46: She Runs Production for 15 Campuses… Alone | Danielle Iselin

Episode 51: "Stop Making Content for Other Christians" | Jon Rush

Welcome back to another episode of The Sunday's Coming Podcast! This week, Caleb and Kaleb sit down with Jon Rush — former Elevation Church pastor, founder of Scroll Company, and one of the most thought-provoking voices on church, creativity, and culture — for a conversation that goes places we did not see coming.Jon walks us through his unlikely path into ministry (think: Methodist youth group makeouts, Toronto Outpouring revivals, and an Arcade Fire video that changed everything), his years on staff at Elevation, and what it looks like now to live in Franklin, TN serving a 200-person church that intentionally doesn't market itself. Along the way, he shares some sharp — and refreshingly honest — perspective on social media, church creativity, the LED screen debates, and why so much "successful" church content is actually just impressing other Christians.This one wrestles with what it actually means to reach your city, why production matters, and how to build something transcendent on Sunday in a culture that's overwhelmed every other day of the week.They talk about: 📱 Why social media might be hurting church creativity more than helping it 🏙 Reaching your city vs. impressing the algorithm 🎬 The "Arcade Fire video" that made the gospel land for a high school girl ✝️ A theology of LED screens, stained glass, and ancient-future worship 🕊 Why Sunday should create a "sanctuary for the soul" 🤝 Growing at the speed of relationship 🎙 Why the next Mr. Beast might be sitting in your church — and what to do about it 👂 The lost art of listening in church leadershipThis episode is for pastors, creatives, production leaders, and anyone wondering how to steward the tools we have without losing sight of the people right in front of us.Because Sunday's always coming, and we're all in this together.Connect with Jon🌐 jonwrush.com📱 @jonwrush on socials🏢 Scroll Company — social-first marketing agencyExtras (Want More?)📸 Follow us on Instagram: @sundayscomingpodcast📬 Email us your guest ideas: hello@sundayscomingpodcast.com⭐️ Leave a review and share the show with your team!

Episode 50: "The Theology of Production & Why It Matters" | Toby Walters

Welcome back to another episode of The Sunday's Coming Podcast! This week, Caleb and Kaleb sit down with Toby Walters — founder of Church Gear and now a published author — for a wide-ranging conversation about church production, why it actually matters, and the stories he gathered while writing his new book.Recorded live during FILO Week, Toby shares the wild story of growing up next door to a meth lab (yes, really), his unlikely path from worship artist to running a national church gear company, and what he learned visiting some of the most influential churches in America. From Red Rocks doing huge things with a piecemeal PA to The Austin Stone broadcasting six campuses through a single PTZ camera, Toby makes the case that gear isn't the problem — and it's rarely the solution either.They unpack what a biblical theology of production actually looks like (hint: it goes way back further than Willow Creek), why production is the new front door of the church, and how to build a career — and a community — that lasts.They talk about: 📖 The theology of production from the Tabernacle to Jericho 🚪 Why production is the "new front door" of the church 🎚 Doing more with less — lessons from Red Rocks & The Austin Stone 🤝 Building local networks with other church tech leaders 💸 Church production salaries, burnout, and career paths 🎤 Distraction-free environments vs. the attraction model 📚 Stories, surprises, and lessons from writing the bookThis episode is for anyone behind a console, in a booth, or running cable on a Sunday morning — and for the pastors and leaders who get to champion them.Because Sunday's always coming, and we're all in this together.Grab Toby's Book📕 Available at tobywalters.com, Amazon (print, Kindle, audio), and wherever books are sold🎧 Check out Toby's show: The Church Gear Podcast🛒 Buying or selling production gear? churchgear.comExtras (Want More?)📸 Follow us on Instagram: @sundayscomingpodcast📬 Email us your guest ideas: hello@sundayscomingpodcast.com⭐️ Leave a review and share the show with your team!

Episode 49: "Season 5 Is Here — Trade Shows, Team Building & What's Coming" | Caleb & Kaleb

Welcome back to The Sunday's Coming Podcast! After a few months off, Caleb and Kaleb are kicking off Season 5 with a casual catch-up episode all about what really happens when you take your team out of their normal Sunday rhythm.From trade show memories to mission trip vibes, the guys talk about how stepping outside the day-to-day can compress six months of relationship building into a single week — and why that matters so much for staff and volunteers. They share lessons learned from years of attending Philo, InfoComm, NAB, and more, plus practical tips on debriefing events, taking notes, and building a team culture of intentional reflection.They also break down all the upcoming events on the calendar — and trust us, there are a lot.In this episode: 🎟 Why trade shows are about people more than tech 📝 Building a habit of contemporaneous notes & post-event debriefs 🎚 The Dallas Mix Competition and how Adam Skidmore's idea grew into a national event 🎤 What to expect at Philo Conference + the Amplio Lounge after-party ⛳️ The Worship Classic golf tournament + Salt Conference in Dallas 👨‍👩‍👧‍👦 Raising tiny escape artists, United Wrapped, and other tangents.Whether you're a production leader, worship pastor, or volunteer, this one is full of encouragement to be intentional with your team — and a heads-up on where to find us in person this year.Because Sunday's always coming, and we're all in this together.Extras (Want More?)📸 Follow us on Instagram: @sundayscomingpodcast📬 Email us your guest ideas: hello@sundayscomingpodcast.com🎟 Check out upcoming events: ampliosystems.com/events⭐️ Leave a review and share the show with your team!

Episode 48: “Quit Church… Twice — Then Came Back” | Lazarus Rios Pt. 2

Welcome back to another episode of The Sunday’s Coming Podcast!This week, Caleb and Kaleb sit down with Laz for one of the most honest conversations we’ve had about ministry, burnout, and finding your way back when everything feels broken.Laz shares his journey from touring in metal bands, stepping into church production with zero experience, rising into leadership at Soul City Church — and then walking away from ministry not once, but twice. They unpack what led to burnout, how unspoken expectations and self-pressure can quietly destroy your health, and why sometimes leaving is the only way to truly heal.They talk about:🔥 Church burnout and the cost of never asking for help🧠 Mental health, therapy, and breaking ministry stigma👨‍👩‍👧‍👦 Raising kids while serving in church leadership🎛 Growing from volunteer to Technical Director❤️ What brought Laz back to ministry — with a healthier heartThis episode is for anyone who’s ever thought, “I can’t do this anymore” — and wondered if there’s still a future for them in the Church.Because Sunday’s always coming, and we’re all in this together.Extras (Want More?)📸 Follow us on Instagram: ⁠@sundayscomingpodcast⁠📬 Email us your guest ideas: ⁠hello@sundayscomingpodcast.com⁠⭐️ Leave a review and share the show with your team!

Episode 47: “Quit Church… Twice — Then Came Back” | Lazarus Rios Pt. 1

Welcome back to another episode of The Sunday’s Coming Podcast!This week, Caleb and Kaleb sit down with Laz for one of the most honest conversations we’ve had about ministry, burnout, and finding your way back when everything feels broken.Laz shares his journey from touring in metal bands, stepping into church production with zero experience, rising into leadership at Soul City Church — and then walking away from ministry not once, but twice. They unpack what led to burnout, how unspoken expectations and self-pressure can quietly destroy your health, and why sometimes leaving is the only way to truly heal.They talk about:🔥 Church burnout and the cost of never asking for help🧠 Mental health, therapy, and breaking ministry stigma👨‍👩‍👧‍👦 Raising kids while serving in church leadership🎛 Growing from volunteer to Technical Director❤️ What brought Laz back to ministry — with a healthier heartThis episode is for anyone who’s ever thought, “I can’t do this anymore” — and wondered if there’s still a future for them in the Church.Because Sunday’s always coming, and we’re all in this together.Extras (Want More?)📸 Follow us on Instagram: ⁠@sundayscomingpodcast⁠📬 Email us your guest ideas: ⁠hello@sundayscomingpodcast.com⁠⭐️ Leave a review and share the show with your team!