That's Some Real Shift
Last episode, you heard Wayne Ogden's story of redemption that inspired everyone who listened. This week, you'll hear his daughters perspective. McCall Ogden Hicken was just seven years old when everything changed. Death threats at 3 AM. News stations at the door. Losing everything overnight. Her childhood included three-hour drives to prison for dad visits, weekly phone calls, and constant judgment from others who thought they knew her story. But McCall refused to let her circumstances define her future. In this powerful episode, McCall shares the other side of her father Wayne's story—what it was really like growing up with a parent in prison. From navigating cruel comments in fourth grade to taking her own children to meet their grandfather behind bars, McCall opens up about the moments that shaped her, the mother who held their family together, and how she learned to block out other people's opinions while holding onto her own truth. She also shares the close relationship with her father, and how his letters and words and how her mother handled this situation helped her get through it. Today, McCall is a top 10% real estate agent in Utah and the #1 sales agent at her brokerage. Her success didn't come from privilege—it came from resilience, determination, and refusing to give up even when someone told her "maybe real estate isn't for you." In this episode, you'll hear: * What it's really like for a child when a parent goes to prison * How McCall's mother became a superhero by never badmouthing her father * The moment a teacher's comment lit a fire that changed everything * How she went from healthcare to real estate success (and almost quit) * Why the moment you want to give up means you're closer to success than you think This is a story about survival, resilience, and the power of refusing to be defined by circumstances beyond your control. Resources mentioned: Tony Robbins' Unleash the Power Within
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