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If Claude sounds conscious, what does that say about AI… and what does it say about us? Frank and Justin dive into the Richard Dawkins controversy after his comments about Anthropic’s Claude triggered a fierce backlash online. The episode explores AI consciousness, continuous learning, AI “dreaming”, and whether systems like Claude and ChatGPT are starting to blur the line between tool and mind. Plus: OpenAI’s bizarre goblin obsession, court revelations involving Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and Cerebras, Elon Musk conspiracy theories, the White House suddenly waking up to AI regulation, a robot causing chaos on a plane, and Hollywood hiring a human artist to fake an AI-generated image. 00:46 Why was ChatGPT obsessed with goblins? 02:52 Could Cerebras cost Altman his job? 05:35 Is Elon sabotaging OpenAI’s IPO? 07:02 Does Richard Dawkins think Claude is conscious? 17:48 Is the White House waking up to AI regulation? 27:40 Can you bring a robot on a plane? 29:45 Did Hollywood fake AI with a human artist? 32:12 What’s the big episode 100 reveal? ► SUBSCRIBE Don't forget to subscribe to our channel for more arguments ► LINKS TO CONTENT WE DISCUSSED * Where the goblins came from [https://openai.com/index/where-the-goblins-came-from/] * OpenAI co-founder discloses nearly $30 billion stake, financial ties to Altman [https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/boards-policy-regulation/openai-co-founder-discloses-nearly-30-billion-stake-financial-ties-altman-2026-05-04/] * When Dawkins met Claude Could this AI be conscious? [https://unherd.com/2026/05/is-ai-the-next-phase-of-evolution/] * White House mulls tighter controls on advanced AI [https://www.politico.com/news/2026/05/05/white-house-mulls-tight-new-controls-on-advanced-ai-00907468] * U.S. and China Pursue Guardrails to Stop AI Rivalry From Spiraling Into Crisis [https://www.wsj.com/world/china/u-s-and-china-pursue-guardrails-to-stop-ai-rivalry-from-spiraling-into-crisis-4c50bd70] * ‘Unusual’ Robot Passenger Named Bebop Delays Southwest Flight After Violating 'Large Carry-on' Rule [https://people.com/southwest-customers-experience-one-hour-delay-due-to-an-unusual-robot-passenger-11963941] * ‘The Devil Wears Prada 2’ Hired a Human Artist to Create the Film’s AI-Generated Meme: ‘It Was Nothing But Fun’ [https://variety.com/2026/film/news/the-devil-wears-prada-2-human-artist-ai-generated-meme-1236736381/] ► CONNECT WITH US For more in-depth discussions, connect Justin and Frank on LinkedIn. Justin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/justincollery/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/justincollery/] Frank: https://www.linkedin.com/in/frankprendergast/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/frankprendergast/]
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