
The Art of Growth
Podcast de Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman
The Art of Growth started by Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman works with teams to develop Team Health and individuals for self-mastery and social awareness. We are an IEA (International Enneagram Association) school for Enneagram Certification. With organizations, we have a detailed roadmap to change the culture of your team and improve communication, conflict, trust, and personality
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In this episode of The Art of Growth, Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman sit down once again with therapist Michelle Pruett to explore “faux wisdom” in the therapy world—those phrases, concepts, and quick fixes that sound good but miss the heart of true healing. Together, they unpack how readiness, resistance, and relational depth play vital roles in transformation. They also revisit the importance of calibrated support and challenge, the misuse of trauma language, and how timing matters more than advice. 🔗 Listen to Michelle’s podcast “Threads of Connection” [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/threads-of-connection/id1802884489] 🔁 Catch Michelle’s episode on Attachment Theory with The Art of Growth [https://www.buzzsprout.com/187784/episodes/10588538] About the Guest: Michelle Pruett, M.Ed., Ed.S., LPC, is a licensed counselor in private practice in Birmingham, AL. For more than 20 years, she has worked to make a difference for individuals, families, and couples by helping them heal from trauma and build healthy attachment. Michelle provides therapy, training, and therapist supervision to share her passion for helping people of all ages find healing. She is trained in Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing (EMDR), Trust-Based Relational Intervention (TBRI), and Emotionally Focused Therapy (EFT), and she recently earned her Art of Growth certification. Learn more about her work at www.pruettcounseling.com [http://www.pruettcounseling.com/] Support the show [https://www.facebook.com/Enneagram-Panels-506386706506495/] https://www.theartofgrowth.org/ [https://www.theartofgrowth.org/]

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Jeff Cook is a professor of philosophy and co-host of the Around the Circle podcast. He lives in Greeley, Colorado, and is the author of three books, including Around the Circle | An Enneagram Book, available June 2025. www.aroundthecircle.org [http://www.aroundthecircle.org/] ORDER OUR Hunter, Farmer, and Teamer BOOK: HERE [https://a.co/d/fKO5QJ7] Get Enneagram Certified HERE. [https://www.theartofgrowth.org/self-paced-enneagram-certification] www.theartofgrowth.org [http://www.theartofgrowth.org/] Email us your thoughts and questions! Follow us on Instagram at ArtofGrowth for more on this subject this month and let us know what you are doing. Go to our website to sign up for: Corporate Training [https://www.theartofgrowth.org/corporate-offerings] One-on-one coaching Enneagram Certification AND MORE... Support the show [https://www.facebook.com/Enneagram-Panels-506386706506495/] https://www.theartofgrowth.org/ [https://www.theartofgrowth.org/]

ORDER OUR BOOK OUT: HERE [https://a.co/d/fKO5QJ7] EnneaSummit on the Instincts Signup HERE [https://www.tylerzach.com/a/2148111985/zuhQoS6i] Get Enneagram Certified HERE. [https://www.theartofgrowth.org/self-paced-enneagram-certification] www.theartofgrowth.org [http://www.theartofgrowth.org/] Email us your thoughts and questions! Go to our website to sign up for: Corporate Training [https://www.theartofgrowth.org/corporate-offerings] One-on-one coaching Enneagram Certification About Our Guest: Tyler Zach is an author, Enneagram coach, and former pastor with 19 years of full-time ministry experience. He has written a 40-day devotional for every Enneagram type (20,000 copies sold) and cultivated a vibrant community of over 47,000 Enneagram enthusiasts on Instagram (@gospelforenneagram). Today, Tyler produces 4-day virtual EnneaSummits that feature world-class experts to help you gain transformative insight and practical wisdom through the lens of the Enneagram. Follow Tyler: Web: https://www.tylerzach.com [https://www.tylerzach.com/] Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/gospelforenneagram [https://www.instagram.com/gospelforenneagram] Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/gospelforenneagram [https://www.facebook.com/gospelforenneagram] Support the show [https://www.facebook.com/Enneagram-Panels-506386706506495/] https://www.theartofgrowth.org/ [https://www.theartofgrowth.org/]

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