Dangerous Stories - Ethos of Care with Dea Jenkins

Dangerous Stories Podcast #2 – The Gap Between Knowing and Living w/ Caitlin Terry

In this episode of Dangerous Stories, Chris sits down with occupational therapist, dreamworker, and embodiment guide Caitlin Terry [https://www.occupiedinsights.com/]to explore one of the most persistent challenges in personal transformation: why is it so difficult to live what we already know? Drawing from occupational therapy, somatic practice, intuition, dreamwork, and spirituality, Caitlin invites us into a conversation about the space between insight and action. What happens when we stop treating change as a cognitive achievement and begin understanding it as something that must be occupied, practiced, and embodied in daily life? Together, Chris and Caitlin explore the dangerous assumptions that shape contemporary therapeutic culture: that insight automatically leads to change, that intuition can always be trusted, that the body merely stores experience rather than generating its own forms of intelligence. They discuss meaningful occupation as more than productivity, the role of dreams as embodied experiences rather than symbolic puzzles, and how our relationship to time, attention, and daily practice shapes who we become. The conversation also examines what is at stake when therapists bring intuition, spirituality, and the sacred back into professional helping spaces. In a culture increasingly disconnected from felt experience, what might it mean to trust the wisdom of the body without abandoning discernment? And what becomes possible when transformation is understood not as a breakthrough moment, but as a way of living? A conversation for therapists, coaches, helpers, and seekers interested in embodiment, intuition, dreamwork, occupational therapy, and the challenging work of closing the gap between knowing and living.   Caitlin's Website Occupied Insights [https://www.occupiedinsights.com/]

Dangerous Stories - Ethos of Care with Dea Jenkins

What if healing isn’t about moving people through pain faster—but about learning how to stay with what is unfinished, formless, and unresolved? In the inaugural episode of Dangerous Stories, Chris Hoff sits down with interdisciplinary artist, curator, and cultural architect Dea Jenkins for a wide-ranging conversation on care, liminality, beauty, and collective healing. Drawing from her work at the intersections of art, theology, and social healing, Dea challenges many of the dominant assumptions shaping contemporary mental health culture, from the obsession with productivity and progress to the medicalization of ordinary human threshold experiences. This conversation explores what it means to design practices for people living inside transition rather than trying to rush them toward resolution. Dea reflects on how art can hold what language cannot, why beauty is not a luxury but a condition for aliveness, and how ritual and communal making offer counter-stories to the trauma-informed industrial complex. Together, Chris and Dea examine liminal space not as a problem to solve, but as a site of cultural meaning-makinges pecially for bodies and communities who are forced to live in perpetual “in-between” states. From racialized trauma and collective consciousness to making circles and threshold-holding as infrastructure, this episode asks what futures we are quietly defuturing when we refuse to honor liminal time.   Dea's Website: https://ethosofcare.co/ [https://ethosofcare.co/]   Dangerous Stories Studio: @dangerousstoriesstudio