Ep. 236 - Lillian Daniel "Defrocked: Good News from a Bad Pastor for a Better Church" pt. 1

Ep. 240 - Dualism — The Battle Between Spirit and Matter

What if one of the most influential ideas in modern Christianity… didn’t actually come from Jesus? In this episode of The Deconstructionists Podcast, we explore the history and impact of dualism — the ancient belief that spirit is good while matter, bodies, and the physical world are somehow lesser, corrupt, or evil. From Plato and Greek philosophy to Gnosticism and modern evangelical culture, we trace how dualistic thinking quietly shaped theology, sexuality, purity culture, views of the body, the afterlife, politics, and even the way many Christians understand salvation itself. We ask questions like: * Why have so many Christians viewed the body with suspicion? * Did the Bible actually teach a sharp divide between “spiritual” and “physical”? * How did Greek philosophy influence early Christianity? * Why do some forms of Christianity focus so heavily on “escaping the world”? * What happens when faith becomes disconnected from embodiment, justice, and humanity? * And what might a more holistic, integrated spirituality look like? Along the way, we discuss: * Plato and the influence of Greek metaphysics * Gnosticism and the material/spiritual divide * The Hebrew understanding of embodied humanity * Paul’s writings and common misunderstandings about “flesh” * Heaven, resurrection, and the renewal of creation * Purity culture and body shame * The lasting influence of dualism on modern evangelicalism * Deconstruction, embodiment, and recovering wholeness This conversation explores how ideas developed historically — and how those ideas still shape people’s lives today, often in ways they don’t even realize. Whether you come from an evangelical background, are in the middle of deconstruction, or are simply interested in theology, philosophy, and history, this episode offers a deeper look at one of the hidden frameworks underneath modern Christianity. TOPICS COVERED * Dualism in Christianity * Plato and Greek philosophy * Gnosticism * Embodiment and spirituality * Resurrection theology * Purity culture * Biblical anthropology * Evangelical theology * Deconstruction and reconstruction * Mind/body divide * Spiritual formation SUPPORT THE DECONSTRUCTIONISTS If you enjoy the show and want to support independent conversations like this, consider joining us on Patreon for: * Ad-free episodes * Bonus content * Extended interviews * Educational deep dives * Community discussions Link: https://www.patreon.com/cw/TheDeconstructionistsPodcast You can also grab merch and find all of our links here: www.thedeconstructionists.org FOLLOW THE DECONSTRUCTIONISTS * Instagram * Facebook * YouTube If this episode resonated with you, leaving a review and sharing the episode helps more than you know. Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands [https://redcircle.com/brands] Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy [https://redcircle.com/privacy]

Ep. 239 - Dr. Bart Ehrman "Love Thy Stranger" pt. 2

In Part 2 of our conversation, Bart Ehrman returns to discuss his latest book, Love Thy Stranger, and the lasting impact Jesus’ teachings had on moral thought in the Western world. We continue exploring how ideas surrounding compassion, forgiveness, charity, and care for outsiders emerged within early Christianity — while also wrestling with the ways institutions and political movements have often failed to embody those same values. In this episode we discuss: * The tension between the teachings of Jesus and modern political Christianity * Immigration, nationalism, and “loving your neighbor” * How moral frameworks evolve over time * The role Christianity played in shaping Western ethics * Historical misunderstandings about the ancient world * Why empathy and human dignity remain central themes in Jesus’ message Be sure to check out Dr. Ehrman’s new book, Love Thy Stranger, available now wherever books are sold. GUEST BIO Bart Ehrman is a New Testament scholar, historian of early Christianity, and the author of numerous bestselling books including Misquoting Jesus, Heaven and Hell, Jesus Interrupted, and How Jesus Became God. He is the James A. Gray Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. SUPPORT THE DECONSTRUCTIONISTS If you enjoy the show, there are several ways to support us: * Join our Patreon for ad-free episodes, bonus content, educational videos, study guides, and more * Check out our merch store for brand-new designs and returning favorites * Leave a rating and review on your favorite podcast platform * Share the episode with a friend More info at: www.thedeconstructionsts.org Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands [https://redcircle.com/brands] Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy [https://redcircle.com/privacy]

Ep. 238 - Dr. Bart Ehrman "Love Thy Stranger" pt. 1

DR. BART EHRMAN – LOVE THY STRANGER: HOW THE TEACHINGS OF JESUS TRANSFORMED THE MORAL CONSCIENCE OF THE WEST (PART 1) In Part 1 of our conversation with renowned New Testament scholar and historian Dr. Bart Ehrman, we dive into his latest book, "Love Thy Stranger: How the Teachings of Jesus Transformed the Moral Conscience of the West". For centuries, people have debated whether Christianity has been a force for compassion or division. But what if one of the most radical moral ideas in human history came directly from the teachings of Jesus himself? In this episode, Bart explores how concepts like caring for the poor, loving enemies, and extending compassion beyond one’s tribe were not common moral assumptions in the ancient world—and how the teachings attributed to Jesus helped reshape Western moral imagination over time. We also discuss: * What morality looked like in the ancient Greco-Roman world * Why compassion was often viewed as weakness in antiquity * The historical context surrounding Jesus’ teachings * The difference between Jesus’ message and later Christian institutions * Whether modern secular morality still carries the fingerprints of Christianity * Why many people misunderstand the historical Jesus * The tension between the teachings of Jesus and modern Christian nationalism * How history complicates simplistic narratives about religion’s role in society As always, this conversation approaches faith, history, and culture through the lens of scholarship, curiosity, and honest dialogue. ABOUT DR. BART EHRMAN Dr. Bart Ehrman is one of the world’s leading scholars on the New Testament and early Christianity. He is the James A. Gray Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and the author of numerous bestselling books including: * "Misquoting Jesus" * "Jesus, Interrupted" * "Heaven and Hell" * "Armageddon" His work focuses on the historical Jesus, the development of early Christianity, biblical manuscripts, and how religious ideas evolve over time. SUPPORT THE DECONSTRUCTIONISTS If you enjoy conversations like this and want to help support independent podcasts and educational content, there are several great ways to support the show: JOIN OUR PATREON We recently relaunched our Patreon with brand-new content and community features including: * Ad-free episodes * Bonus episodes * Educational videos and study guides * Monthly book club * Members-only discussions and chat * Exclusive behind-the-scenes content 👉 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thedeconstructionists [https://www.patreon.com/thedeconstructionists] MERCH STORE We also launched brand-new merch designs along with returning fan favorites. 👉 Merch Store: https://thedeconstructionists.printify.me/ LEAVE A REVIEW One of the easiest free ways to support the show is by leaving a positive review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. It genuinely helps more people discover the podcast. CONNECT WITH US Website: https://www.thedeconstructionists.org [https://www.thedeconstructionists.org/] BART EHRMAN LINKS Official Website: https://www.bartehrman.com [https://www.bartehrman.com/] Books & Courses: [https://www.patreon.com/thedeconstructionists]https://www.bartehrman.com/books/ [https://www.bartehrman.com/books/] Blog: [https://www.patreon.com/thedeconstructionists]https://ehrmanblog.org [https://ehrmanblog.org/] Thank you for listening to The Deconstructionists Podcast. Part 2 of our conversation with Dr. Bart Ehrman will be available soon. Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands [https://redcircle.com/brands] Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy [https://redcircle.com/privacy]

Ep. 237 - Lillian Daniels "Failure, Accountability & the Future of the Church" pt. 2

In Part 2 of our conversation with Lillian Daniel, we move deeper into the tensions at the heart of her story—and the bigger questions it raises for the modern church. If Part 1 explored what happened, this episode asks what it means. We talk about accountability, institutional systems, and whether the church is actually capable of handling failure in a way that leads to healing rather than harm. 📚 About Lillian Daniel Lillian Daniel is an ordained minister in the United Church of Christ and currently serves as a Conference Minister, overseeing churches and clergy across Michigan. She has taught preaching at institutions including Yale Divinity School and the University of Chicago, and is the author of multiple books on faith, ministry, and the evolving role of the church. Her latest book, Defrocked: Good News from a Bad Pastor for a Better Church, explores her own experience with discipline, failure, and restoration—and what it reveals about the systems meant to hold leaders accountable. 🔗 Stay Connected • Website: https://www.thedeconstructionists.org • Patreon: Support the show and get ad-free, extended interviews: https://www.patreon.com/cw/TheDeconstructionistsPodcast • Follow along for more conversations with scholars, authors, and thinkers exploring faith, doubt, and everything in between Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands [https://redcircle.com/brands] Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy [https://redcircle.com/privacy]

Ep. 236 - Lillian Daniel "Defrocked: Good News from a Bad Pastor for a Better Church" pt. 1

📝 Episode Summary Drawing from her new book, Defrocked: Good News from a Bad Pastor for a Better Church, Lillian shares her journey through ministry, the unexpected challenges she encountered, and the moments that forced her to rethink long-held assumptions about leadership, faith, and belonging. This episode is an honest look at what happens when certainty begins to crack—and why that might not be the end of faith, but the beginning of something more real. 📚 About the Book Defrocked: Good News from a Bad Pastor for a Better Church A candid and often humorous reflection on ministry, failure, and the possibility of a more honest and compassionate church. Lillian Daniel offers a rare behind-the-scenes look at pastoral life—challenging assumptions while pointing toward a healthier future. 👤 About the Guest Lillian Daniel is a United Church of Christ minister, author, and speaker known for her wit, honesty, and thoughtful critique of modern church culture. Her work often explores faith, doubt, leadership, and the evolving role of the church in contemporary life. 🔗 Resources & Links • Find Lillian’s book wherever books are sold • Learn more about her work and writing: www.lilliandaniel.com 🎙️ Support the Show If you enjoyed this episode, you can support The Deconstructionists Podcast by: • Joining our Patreon for ad-free episodes, bonus content, and educational videos: https://www.patreon.com/cw/TheDeconstructionistsPodcast • Checking out our merch store (ships worldwide): https://thedeconstructionists.printify.me/ • Leaving a rating & review—it really helps others find the show Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands [https://redcircle.com/brands] Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy [https://redcircle.com/privacy]