The Resilience Project
Summary In this deeply personal and relational episode, Julie sits down with her longtime friend Cathy Rosenquist - someone who has had a front-row seat to some of Julie’s most defining seasons. From loss and reunion to therapy, identity, and divorce… Cathy didn’t just hear about it. She lived alongside it. This conversation offers something rarely spoken about in adoption spaces: What is it like to love an adoptee through it? Through honest reflection, Cathy shares what she saw, what she didn’t understand at first, and what helped most - not from a place of expertise, but from curiosity, humility, and a willingness to stay. Together, they explore how patterns rooted in early disruption can show up in relationships, the impact of feeling like you have to earn acceptance, and what begins to shift when someone chooses to truly see you. This episode is for adoptees and for the people who love them. Because healing doesn’t happen in isolation. It happens in relationship. Keywords adoption, adoptee healing, relationships, friendship, trauma, identity, belonging, emotional safety, connection, self-trust, attachment, support systems Key Topics * What it’s like to walk alongside an adoptee through grief, reunion, and identity work * Patterns of people-pleasing, fear, and the need for acceptance * The gap between outward confidence and internal self-trust * Why adoptees may struggle to use their voice - even when they seem expressive * Moving from “something is wrong with me” to building self-trust * Letting go of fixing and learning to simply be present * The power of curiosity over assumption in relationships * How consistent, intentional connection builds safety and trust Takeaways * You don’t need to fully understand someone to stay with them * Curiosity creates connection - assumption creates distance * Many adoptee patterns are rooted in a deep need to feel safe and accepted * Being “seen” without being fixed can be profoundly healing * Relationships that last are built through intentional presence * You don’t have to have the right words - just a willingness to stay * Healing often happens when someone defies the expectation that they will leave Chapters 00:00 – A friendship built over 14 years 03:00 – How Julie and Cathy first met 06:00 – What Cathy saw over the years 10:30 – Witnessing grief, discovery, and transformation 13:30 – Patterns Julie couldn’t see at the time 18:00 – The shoes story and learning self-trust 20:30 – What Cathy misunderstood about adoption 24:30 – Moving beyond the “rescue” narrative 28:00 – Witnessing reunion, grief, and complexity 31:00 – Trying to understand the adoptee experience 35:00 – Why the timeline mattered 38:00 – What actually helped in the friendship 41:00 – Learning to ask, “What do you need?” 43:30 – Sitting with what couldn’t be fixed 46:00 – Finding and trusting Julie’s voice 49:00 – How friendship changed Cathy 52:00 – What people who love adoptees need to know 53:30 – “You’ve got this” and closing reflections Un-M-Othered: A Revolution in Adoptee Healing [https://www.lizdebetta.com/un-m-othered-adoptee-healing-retreat] Website [https://www.cominghometoself.co/] Instagram: @juliebrumley_ [https://www.instagram.com/juliebrumley_/] Facebook: julierasbrum [https://www.facebook.com/julierasbrum] TikTok: @juliebrumley_ Click to Join My Free Adoptee Facebook Group [https://www.facebook.com/groups/theresilienceprojectforadoptees] You Tube: @julie_brumley [https://www.youtube.com/@julie_brumley]
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