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S6E4 EXPLORING THE RISE OF PERFORMANCE TV, OFF-SITE RETAIL MEDIA, AND WHAT IT MEANS FOR RETAILERS AND BRANDS. Retail media is evolving fast, and if you're still stuck in 2022, you're already behind. In this episode of The Retail Razor Show, hosts Ricardo Belmar and Casey Golden sit down with retail media expert Andrew Lipsman [https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrew-lipsman-10b2162/] to explore how Retail Media Networks(RMNs) are expanding into Connected TV (CTV) and off-site retail media to drive growth in 2026 and beyond. From Amazon and Walmart’s bold moves into performance TV to the rise of off-site retail media as a full-funnel strategy, this episode is packed with insights for retailers and brands navigating the next wave of retail media strategy. Andrew breaks down the challenges of measurement, the myth of ROAS, and why CMOs and agencies need to rethink their approach to retail media. WHAT YOU’LL LEARN IN THIS EPISODE: * Why connected TV is the next frontier for retail media networks * How off-site retail media is growing 3x faster than on-site * The real story behind ROAS and why it’s often misleading * How Amazon and Walmart are dominating performance TV * What smaller RMNs can do to compete through partnerships * Why CMOs and agencies must evolve their retail media strategy * How to build a full-funnel retail media approach that works Whether you're building a retail media network or buying ad space for your next brand campaign, this episode is packed with the sharp insights you need to stay ahead. SUBSCRIBE & FOLLOW If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a 5‑star rating and review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or Goodpods. Subscribe on YouTube so you never miss an episode and check out the other shows in the Retail Razor Podcast Network: Retail Transformers, Blade to Greatness, and Data Blades. Subscribe to the Retail Razor Podcast Network: https://retailrazor.com/ [https://retailrazor.com/] Subscribe to our Newsletter: https://retailrazor.substack.com [https://retailrazor.substack.com/] Subscribe to our YouTube channel: https://go.retailrazor.com/utube [https://go.retailrazor.com/utube] ABOUT OUR GUEST Andrew Lipsman [https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrew-lipsman-10b2162/]. https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrew-lipsman-10b2162/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrew-lipsman-10b2162/] Analyst, Consultant, and Founder - Media, Ads + Commerce. Andrew Lipsman is an independent analyst and principal consultant at Media, Ads + Commerce. His industry coverage specializes in retail media—which he is known for anointing as “digital advertising’s third big wave”—and other areas of the digital media, advertising, and commerce ecosystem. He has published more than a half dozen articles in the Journal of Advertising Research and is frequently quoted in The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, The Economist, The Financial Times, and Advertising Age. Media, Ads + Commerce [https://mediaadsandcommerce.substack.com/]. https://mediaadsandcommerce.substack.com [https://mediaadsandcommerce.substack.com/] Media, Ads + Commerce is a consultancy providing strategy and insights for companies in retail media and the broader media, advertising, and commerce ecosystem. CHAPTERS 00:00 Teaser Open 00:51 Show Intro 04:19 Welcome Back Andrew Lipsman! 06:12 How Retail Media Evolved 07:56 Closed Loop And ROAS Limits 10:57 Retail Media Connective Tissue 15:24 CTV Goes Performance 21:19 Partnership Paths To CTV 24:53 Trade Desk And Agency Gap 27:32 Offsite Media Growth Drivers 29:27 Onsite Relevance First 30:40 Connected TV Landscape 31:46 Inventory Quality and Fraud 33:02 Target and Nordstrom Playbook 35:34 Full Funnel Measurement 36:33 CMO Perception Gap 38:09 Brands and Merchant Alignment 41:49 CTV Attribution Reality 44:06 Rethinking ROAS Metrics 46:17 Last Touch Misleads 47:59 Inefficiency as Opportunity 50:15 Talent and Org Alignment 53:21 2026 Priorities and Mindset 57:13 Where to Follow Andrew 58:00 Show Close MEET YOUR HOSTS Helping you cut through the clutter in retail & retail tech: Ricardo Belmar [https://bit.ly/LIRBelmar] is an NRF Top Retail Voice for 2025 and a RETHINK Retail Top Retail Expert [https://rethink.industries/top-retail-experts-2026/] from 2021 – 2026. Thinkers 360 [https://www.thinkers360.com/tl/profiles/view/3427] has named him a Top 10 Thought Leader in Retail, a Top 25 Thought Leader in AGI and Careers, a Top 50 Thought Leader in Agentic AIand Management, and a Top 100 Thought Leader in Digital Transformation and Transformation. Thinkers 360 also named him a Top Digital Voice for 2024 and 2025. He is an advisory council member at George Mason University’s Center for Retail Transformation [https://business.gmu.edu/retail/]and the Retail Cloud Alliance [https://www.retailcloudalliance.com/our-community]. He was most recently the partner marketing leader for retail & consumer goods in the Americas at Microsoft. Casey Golden [https://bit.ly/twCasey], is the North America Leader for Retail & Consumer Goods at CI&T, and CEO of Luxlock [https://www.luxlock.com/]. She is a RETHINK Retail Top Retail Expert [https://rethink.industries/top-retail-experts-2026/] from 2023 - 2026, and Retail Cloud Alliance [https://www.retailcloudalliance.com/our-community] advisory council member. After a career on the fashion and supply chain technology side of the business, Casey is obsessed with the customer relationship between the brand and the consumer and is slaying franken-stacks and building retail tech! MUSIC Includes music provided by imunobeats.com [http://imunobeats.com/], featuring Overclocked, and E-Motive from the album Beat Hype, written by Heston Mimms, published by Imuno.
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