34. Science & Faith Part 2 - Pastor Will Rose (ELCA Lutheran) - The False Choice Between Faith and Science

34. Science & Faith Part 2 - Pastor Will Rose (ELCA Lutheran) - The False Choice Between Faith and Science

34. Science & Faith Part 2 - Pastor Will Rose (ELCA Lutheran) - The False Choice Between Faith and Science  Alexis Rice sits down with Pastor Will Rose, ELCA Lutheran pastor in Chapel Hill, North Carolina, co-host of Systematic Geekology, and creator of the faith and science podcast Your Matter Matters, for a deeply compassionate conversation about curiosity, science, deconstruction, and why asking honest questions should never make someone feel spiritually unsafe. Together, Alexis and Will unpack the false binary so many Christians were handed between faith and science - and the shame many people carry after being taught that questioning Genesis, evolution, the Big Bang, healthcare, vaccines, or scientific expertise somehow meant they were “falling away from God.” Will shares how many progressive and mainline Christian spaces approach scripture, theology, and science very differently than fundamentalist environments, and why intellectual humility, wonder, and curiosity can actually deepen faith instead of destroy it. At the center of this conversation is one powerful idea: “If that’s how the universe operates - growing, evolving, shifting - I think our faith can be like that too.” This episode is an invitation for anyone who has ever felt spiritually trapped, intellectually unsafe, or afraid that asking honest questions could cost them belonging. 💬 In This Episode • Why many Christians were taught faith and science cannot coexist • Curiosity vs “doubt culture” in evangelical spaces • Why asking questions should not be treated as rebellion against God • The danger of certainty culture in Christianity • Genesis, evolution, Adam & Eve, and biblical interpretation • “God of the gaps” theology and why it creates fear • Why many pastors feel pressure to have all the answers • The importance of intellectual humility in faith communities • How science and theology ask different kinds of questions • COVID, vaccines, healthcare, and anti-science narratives in churches • Christian nationalism and the weaponization of faith • The erosion of trust in institutions, experts, and scientists • Why progressive pastors and churches need more visibility • Theology Beer Camp and creating safe spaces for spiritual exploration • Why people do not need to abandon science in order to love God • The healing power of realizing “I’m not the only one asking this” 📚 Books & Resources Mentioned • Pastor Will Rose: @willnrose • Your Matter Matters Podcast: @yourmattermatters • Fish with Feet: Human Evolution and the Image of God - Dr. Janet Kellogg Ray @janetkelloggray from @eerdmans • The Sin of Certainty - Pete Enns @thebiblefornormalpeople • The Great Emergence - Phyllis Tickle • Systematic Geekology @systematicgeekology • Theology Beer Camp @theologybeercamp • Homebrewed Christianity with Tripp Fulelr @theologynerd @trippfuller • Dr. Janet Kellogg Ray: @janetkelloggray • Tripp Fuller: @trippfuller • Pete Enns: @thebiblefornormalpeople • Ted Peters • Joshua Noel • Francis Collins • Neil deGrasse Tyson: @neildegrassetyson Support the show [https://www.buzzsprout.com/2471756/support] About The Sacred Slope Where the slippery slope becomes sacred ground. For the spiritually tender—raised in or rooted in Christianity. Come explore our global, diverse, inclusive Christian faith, deconstruction, and spiritual identity in a rapidly changing world. Through conversations with clergy, scholars, and cultural voices, the show creates space for people navigating faith after certainty, church harm, or political co-option of religion. 🎧 WATCH: YouTube / Spotify      LISTEN: Apple Podcasts + everywhere      FOLLOW: @thesacredslope (IG, FB, Threads, TikTok, YouTube, Bluesky) 🔗 Connect 🎧 Explore episodes & community: linktr.ee/TheSacredSlope [https://linktr.ee/TheSacredSlope?utm_source=chatgpt.com] 🎙 Hosted by Alexis Rice 🎵 Music by Brett Rutledge, Eddie Irvin & Sean Spence 📬 Nominate a guest: alexis@thesacredslope.com 🌿 Community Guidelines 🌿 Fruit of the Spirit:  ❤️ love • 💫 joy • ☮️ peace • 🕊 patience • 💝 kindness • 🌿 goodness • 🙏 faithfulness • 🤲 gentleness • 💪 self-control

33. Science & Faith Part 1 - Dr. Janet Kellogg Ray (Science Educator & Christian) - Science Asks How & When. Faith Asks Who & Why.

33. Science & Faith Part 1 - Dr. Janet Kellogg Ray (Science Educator & Christian) - Science Asks How & When. Faith Asks Who & Why Alexis Rice sits down with Dr. Janet Kellogg Ray, science educator, university lecturer, Christian, and author of Fish with Feet: Human Evolution and the Image of God [https://www.eerdmans.com/9780802885616/fish-with-feet/?utm_source=chatgpt.com], for a deeply honest conversation about evolution, evangelicalism, scientific literacy, and the false choice so many Christians were handed between faith and science. Raised in conservative Christianity and young earth creationist culture herself, Janet shares how studying biology transformed her understanding of both science and God - not by destroying her faith, but by expanding it. Together, Alexis and Janet unpack the deep distrust of science embedded in many American evangelical spaces, why evolution was framed as spiritually dangerous, and how generations of Christians were taught that accepting evolution, climate science, vaccines, or scientific expertise itself could somehow threaten their relationship with God. At the center of this conversation is one of Janet’s most powerful insights: “Science asks questions of how and when. Faith asks questions of who and why.” Science cannot answer every meaningful question in human life. And faith and science are not enemies competing for the same territory - they are often answering entirely different kinds of questions. 💬 In This Episode • Growing up in young earth creationism • Why evolution became linked to “moral decline” in evangelical culture • The rise of anti-evolution apologetics in America • How churches built alternative Christian media and education ecosystems • Why many Christians distrust scientists and experts • COVID, vaccines, public health, and evangelical fear of science • What scientists actually mean by “theory” • Adam and Eve, Genesis, and the tension between theology and biology • The Big Bang, the Cambrian explosion, and misconceptions about evolution • Why curiosity should not be treated as rebellion against God • Galileo, science denial, and refusing to “look through the telescope” • Authority vs expertise and the danger of scientific illiteracy • Why science and faith can coexist without conflict • How asking questions can actually deepen faith rather than destroy it Janet offers a compassionate invitation for Christians who feel trapped between intellectual honesty and spiritual belonging:  you do not have to reject science to love God. 📚 Books & Resources Mentioned • Fish with Feet: Human Evolution and the Image of God (@Eerdmans) [https://www.eerdmans.com/9780802885616/fish-with-feet/?utm_source=chatgpt.com] • The God of Monkey Science (@Eerdmans) [https://www.eerdmans.com/9780802883193/the-god-of-monkey-science/?utm_source=chatgpt.com] • Baby Dinosaurs on the Ark 👥 People & Accounts Mentioned • Janet Kellogg Ray: @janetkelloggray  • Neil deGrasse Tyson: @neildegrassetyson  • Hasan Minhaj - IG: @hasanminhaj @hmdk  • Francis Collins  • Kenneth Miller Support the show [https://www.buzzsprout.com/2471756/support] About The Sacred Slope Where the slippery slope becomes sacred ground. For the spiritually tender—raised in or rooted in Christianity. Come explore our global, diverse, inclusive Christian faith, deconstruction, and spiritual identity in a rapidly changing world. Through conversations with clergy, scholars, and cultural voices, the show creates space for people navigating faith after certainty, church harm, or political co-option of religion. 🎧 WATCH: YouTube / Spotify      LISTEN: Apple Podcasts + everywhere      FOLLOW: @thesacredslope (IG, FB, Threads, TikTok, YouTube, Bluesky) 🔗 Connect 🎧 Explore episodes & community: linktr.ee/TheSacredSlope [https://linktr.ee/TheSacredSlope?utm_source=chatgpt.com] 🎙 Hosted by Alexis Rice 🎵 Music by Brett Rutledge, Eddie Irvin & Sean Spence 📬 Nominate a guest: alexis@thesacredslope.com 🌿 Community Guidelines 🌿 Fruit of the Spirit:  ❤️ love • 💫 joy • ☮️ peace • 🕊 patience • 💝 kindness • 🌿 goodness • 🙏 faithfulness • 🤲 gentleness • 💪 self-control

32. Sharon McMahon (We Are Mighty) - & We Are the Ones We’ve Been Waiting For

🎙️ 32. Sharon McMahon (We Are Mighty) & We Are the Ones We’ve Been Waiting For Alexis Rice sits down with Sharon McMahon, bestselling author, educator, and creator of “@SharonSaysSo,” for a deeply moving conversation about history, democracy, courage, faith, and the ordinary people who shape the world around us. As Sharon releases her new children’s book, We Are Mighty: 12 Ordinary Americans Who Did the Next Needed Thing, Alexis and Sharon explore figures of American history, some famous, some not, about the power of education, and what it means to continue doing good with no assurance of success. Together, they discuss Martin Luther King Jr., Maria de Lopez, Abraham Lincoln, Rosa Parks, Septima Clark, Clara Brown, and the everyday people whose unseen acts of courage changed generations. This episode is a reminder that history is not only shaped by presidents, billionaires, or celebrities - but by teachers, neighbors, parents, organizers, and ordinary people willing to do the next needed thing. 💬 In This Episode • Why “doing the next needed thing” can change history • Stories behind We Are Mighty and The Small and the Mighty • Martin Luther King Jr.’s struggle with depression and self-doubt • Rosa Parks, Septima Clark, and the unseen roots of the Civil Rights Movement • Clara Brown, faith, forgiveness, and resistance • Why education is liberation • The danger of Christian nationalism and authoritarianism • The difference between performative religion and living compassionately • Sharon’s canceled commencement speech, the political backlash, and how she's doing the next needed thing • Why history gives hope during difficult times • What teachers and ordinary citizens need to hear right now about the power of community • Why courage rarely comes with assurance of success Sharon reminds us that the people who change the world are rarely the loudest or the most powerful. More often, they are ordinary people choosing courage, compassion, education, and hope in moments when success is far from guaranteed. And maybe that moment is ours now. We Are Mighty for Kids, illustrated by @susannachapman, from @penguinrandomhouse is out May 19 https://sharonmcmahon.com/book 👥 People Mentioned • Sarah Bessey: @sarahbessey • Kate Bowler: @katecbowler • Nadia Bolz-Weber: @sarcasticlutheran Support the show [https://www.buzzsprout.com/2471756/support] About The Sacred Slope Where the slippery slope becomes sacred ground. For the spiritually tender—raised in or rooted in Christianity. Come explore our global, diverse, inclusive Christian faith, deconstruction, and spiritual identity in a rapidly changing world. Through conversations with clergy, scholars, and cultural voices, the show creates space for people navigating faith after certainty, church harm, or political co-option of religion. 🎧 WATCH: YouTube / Spotify      LISTEN: Apple Podcasts + everywhere      FOLLOW: @thesacredslope (IG, FB, Threads, TikTok, YouTube, Bluesky) 🔗 Connect 🎧 Explore episodes & community: linktr.ee/TheSacredSlope [https://linktr.ee/TheSacredSlope?utm_source=chatgpt.com] 🎙 Hosted by Alexis Rice 🎵 Music by Brett Rutledge, Eddie Irvin & Sean Spence 📬 Nominate a guest: alexis@thesacredslope.com 🌿 Community Guidelines 🌿 Fruit of the Spirit:  ❤️ love • 💫 joy • ☮️ peace • 🕊 patience • 💝 kindness • 🌿 goodness • 🙏 faithfulness • 🤲 gentleness • 💪 self-control

31. Jeremy Steele (United Methodist, Skeptic Pastor) - Stop Ceding Faith: Democrats & Media Need Progressive Pastors Now

🎙️ 31. Jeremy Steele (United Methodist, Skeptic Pastor) - Stop Ceding Faith: Democrats and Media Need Progressive Pastors Now Alexis sits down with Jeremy Steele (@skeptic.pastor), a United Methodist pastor, author, and self-described “deep skeptic,” for a bold, unfiltered conversation about faith, politics, and the stories shaping Christianity in America today. Jeremy returns to The Sacred Slope to challenge some of the most widely held beliefs in evangelical spaces - including the rapture - and to name what’s really happening when extreme voices dominate the narrative. Together, Alexis and Jeremy unpack Christian nationalism, the absence of progressive faith voices in media and politics, and why that silence is creating a dangerous vacuum. This episode is both a wake-up call and a clear invitation: if Democrats and media want to reach people of faith, they cannot keep ignoring progressive pastors. The voices exist. The audience is there. The moment is now. 💬 In This Episode • Why the rapture isn’t supported by serious biblical scholarship • How fear-based theology stays in our bodies even after deconstruction • Christian nationalism and the “shock jock” effect in media • Why Democrats and progressive media have ceded the language of faith • A direct call: put progressive pastors and faith leaders on stage • The gap between evangelical narratives and global Christianity • Letting go of all-or-nothing faith frameworks • Reclaiming spiritual practices and rituals after church hurt • Why compassion is central to the teachings of Jesus 👥 People/Resources Mentioned • Jeremy Steele: @skepticpastor | https://skepticpastor.com [https://skepticpastor.com] • Rituals for Heretics: https://skepticpastor.com/rituals [https://skepticpastor.com/rituals] • How to Not Suck as a Christian https://jeremy-steele.com/suck-book • Dan McClellan: @maklelan • Jennifer Garcia Bashaw: @jgbashaw • The Bible for Normal People: @thebiblefornormalpeople • Senator Raphael Warnock: @raphaelwarnock • Jimmy Kimmel: @jimmykimmel • Stephen Colbert: @stephenathome • MSNow: @msnbc • CNN: @cnn  • Don Lemon Show: @donlemonofficia [https://www.instagram.com/donlemonofficial/#]l From calling out harmful theology to naming the silence in progressive spaces, Jeremy makes a compelling case: the rapture isn’t real, but the consequences of bad theology are. And if we don’t elevate better voices, we leave the loudest ones unchecked. #Christianity #deconstruction #progressiveChristianity #ChristianNationalism #faithandpolitics #exvangelical #OpenAndAffirming #MentalHealth Support the show [https://www.buzzsprout.com/2471756/support] About The Sacred Slope Where the slippery slope becomes sacred ground. For the spiritually tender—raised in or rooted in Christianity. Come explore our global, diverse, inclusive Christian faith, deconstruction, and spiritual identity in a rapidly changing world. Through conversations with clergy, scholars, and cultural voices, the show creates space for people navigating faith after certainty, church harm, or political co-option of religion. 🎧 WATCH: YouTube / Spotify      LISTEN: Apple Podcasts + everywhere      FOLLOW: @thesacredslope (IG, FB, Threads, TikTok, YouTube, Bluesky) 🔗 Connect 🎧 Explore episodes & community: linktr.ee/TheSacredSlope [https://linktr.ee/TheSacredSlope?utm_source=chatgpt.com] 🎙 Hosted by Alexis Rice 🎵 Music by Brett Rutledge, Eddie Irvin & Sean Spence 📬 Nominate a guest: alexis@thesacredslope.com 🌿 Community Guidelines 🌿 Fruit of the Spirit:  ❤️ love • 💫 joy • ☮️ peace • 🕊 patience • 💝 kindness • 🌿 goodness • 🙏 faithfulness • 🤲 gentleness • 💪 self-control

30. Christina Zini (United Methodist/Lutheran) - This Is What Christianity Looks Like When It’s Not About Control & The Sacred Slope turns 1!

🎙️ 30. Christina Zini (United Methodist/Lutheran) -  This Is What Christianity Looks Like When It’s Not About Control & The Sacred Slope Turns 1!!!!! With music by Derek Webb! Alexis Rice sits down with Christina Zini, a friend of 20+ years, a leadership coach, Christian woman, global citizen, for a deeply personal and reflective conversation marking one year of The Sacred Slope. Christina shares her journey of faith from growing up Lutheran in a small town in the US to living across the world and discovering a Christianity rooted not in control or coercion, but in love, openness, and deep respect for others. Together, Alexis and Christina explore what it actually looks like to follow Jesus in a complex and divided world. They reflect on friendship, church, and culture, and what this past year of The Sacred Slope has revealed: that faith is far more expansive than many were taught, that people across religions are not enemies but neighbors, and that people are drawn to Jesus not by force, but by how we show up. At the heart of this conversation is a powerful message: they are to know us by our love. 💬 In This Episode • Celebrating one year of The Sacred Slope • Growing up in Lutheran and Methodist traditions • Faith shaped by global experiences and travel • Church shopping and finding aligned community • Why love matters more than conversion • Respecting other religions while following Jesus • Women’s leadership and agency in faith and life • IVF, health decisions, and bodily autonomy • Letting go of control and learning to trust God • Navigating faith in a time of division • Friendship as a spiritual anchor • What it means to live out the fruit of the Spirit 💛 Thank you Derek Webb  A special thank you to Derek Webb @DerekWebb and his team for allowing me to use his music in this anniversary episode from his album, Survival Songs: https://www.derekwebb.com/dwdwdw/p/survival-songs-cd-digital-download Derek was one of my first interviews and it was so healing: https://youtu.be/Gr-lWvMLj9A?si=GQR4mlKygpRMMf3U 💛 Support The Sacred Slope If this podcast has meant something to you and you want to see more conversations like this: ☕ Buy Me a Coffee: https://buymeacoffee.com/thesacredslope  💛 Linktree to Venmo: https://linktr.ee/TheSacredSlope Your support helps amplify voices, expand this community, and continue these conversations around the world. #Christianity #deconstruction #OpenAndAffirming #MentalHealth Support the show [https://www.buzzsprout.com/2471756/support] About The Sacred Slope Where the slippery slope becomes sacred ground. For the spiritually tender—raised in or rooted in Christianity. Come explore our global, diverse, inclusive Christian faith, deconstruction, and spiritual identity in a rapidly changing world. Through conversations with clergy, scholars, and cultural voices, the show creates space for people navigating faith after certainty, church harm, or political co-option of religion. 🎧 WATCH: YouTube / Spotify      LISTEN: Apple Podcasts + everywhere      FOLLOW: @thesacredslope (IG, FB, Threads, TikTok, YouTube, Bluesky) 🔗 Connect 🎧 Explore episodes & community: linktr.ee/TheSacredSlope [https://linktr.ee/TheSacredSlope?utm_source=chatgpt.com] 🎙 Hosted by Alexis Rice 🎵 Music by Brett Rutledge, Eddie Irvin & Sean Spence 📬 Nominate a guest: alexis@thesacredslope.com 🌿 Community Guidelines 🌿 Fruit of the Spirit:  ❤️ love • 💫 joy • ☮️ peace • 🕊 patience • 💝 kindness • 🌿 goodness • 🙏 faithfulness • 🤲 gentleness • 💪 self-control