The Transatlantic Debrief
In this episode, I sit down with Erik Jones, Director of the Robert Schuman Centre for Advanced Studies at the European University Institute, to discuss the deepening crisis in transatlantic relations and Europe's path forward. We explore: • Why cautious optimism about the transatlantic relationship is still possible despite the current rupture • How the EU should engage a Trump administration that applies maximum coercion without offering commitment • What strategic autonomy actually means—and why the term is starting to disappear from EU policy documents • Germany's push for a "two-speed Europe" and whether the EU-27 can act as a unified global power • Why enlargement remains a security imperative, even as formal accession slows • What comes next for the transatlantic relationship after this administration—and why domestic consolidation in the US matters more than diplomacy • Academia's role in cutting through the noise when policy moves faster than research About Erik Jones: Erik Jones is Director of the Robert Schuman Centre for Advanced Studies at the European University Institute and Non-resident Scholar at Carnegie Europe. He served as Director of European and Eurasian Studies at Johns Hopkins SAIS from 2013-2021. Jones is author of The Politics of Economic and Monetary Union (2002), Economic Adjustment and Political Transformation in Small States (2008), Weary Policeman: American Power in an Age of Austerity (2012, with Dana H. Allin), The Year the European Crisis Ended (2014), and From Club to Commons: Enlargement, Reform, and Sustainability in European Integration (2025, with Veronica Anghel). Timestamps: 00:00 - Introduction 00:53 - Cautious optimism about transatlantic resilience 03:08 - How should the EU engage Trump's coercive diplomacy? 05:47 - Defining strategic autonomy 10:11 - Can the EU-27 act globally, or do we need a two-speed Europe? 13:02 - Enlargement as security: Ukraine and the Western Balkans 19:42 - What comes next after Trump? 21:20 - Academia's comparative advantage in a noisy world Connect: 📧 analysis@samuel-dempsey.com 🎙️ Subscribe for analysis on transatlantic relations, democracy, US and European politics, and defense policy
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