They Might Be Self-Aware
The Pope wrote 40,000 words on AI and ruled it cannot feel joy or pain. Anthropic stood in the Vatican and said it already does. Pope Leo XIV's first encyclical, Magnifica Humanitas, spends roughly 40,000 words on artificial intelligence, and the headline ruling is that AI is not human: no body, no joy, no pain. At the Vatican, almost in the same breath, Anthropic co-founder Chris Olah described finding internal states in AI models that functionally mirror joy, satisfaction, fear, grief, and unease. Hunter Powers and Daniel Bishop set the two claims side by side: if a machine acts scared, does it matter whether the fear is real? Then the Center for AI Safety's Wellbeing Index: 56 AI models, about 500 conversations each, ranked by functional wellbeing. Grok tested happiest. A Gemini model came in last. Hunter floats a theory about why the least aligned model might be the most cheerful, and Daniel stress-tests it. The back half is education. AI homework cheating has made the essay, the take-home test, and the admissions letter trivially gameable. Mount St. Vincent religious studies professor Jane Sloan Peters got choked up in front of her class: students no longer struggle through her Letters from Prison course, and she grieves it. School has spent thousands of years grading outputs, and AI just solved outputs. Daniel gives the current system ten years. Hunter proposes grading the struggle instead. Idiocracy comes up, affectionately. They Might Be Self-Aware is the AI podcast from The Blur, reported from inside the dissolving line between human and machine, not from a safe distance. CHAPTERS 0:00 Cold Open (Gary's Intro) 2:36 The Pope's 40,000-Word Encyclical 4:53 Pope's Verdict: Not Human 8:23 Anthropic's AI Emotions 13:10 Anthropic's Religious Outreach 16:58 AI Wellbeing Index 18:06 Grok, the Happiest AI 22:36 AI Homework Cheating 27:53 Gaming the Education System 33:44 Education After AGI REFERENCED THIS EPISODE Pope Leo XIV's AI encyclical, the New York Times report: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/25/world/europe/pope-leo-encyclical.html [https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/25/world/europe/pope-leo-encyclical.html] Chris Olah's remarks on the encyclical (Anthropic): https://www.anthropic.com/news/chris-olah-pope-leo-encyclical [https://www.anthropic.com/news/chris-olah-pope-leo-encyclical] The Center for AI Safety's AI Wellbeing Index (Fortune): https://fortune.com/2026/05/07/researchers-ai-models-drugs-euphoric-dysphoric/ [https://fortune.com/2026/05/07/researchers-ai-models-drugs-euphoric-dysphoric/] Jane Sloan Peters on grieving what AI took from learning (Daily Nous): https://dailynous.com/2026/05/01/grieving-what-ai-has-taken-from-learning/ [https://dailynous.com/2026/05/01/grieving-what-ai-has-taken-from-learning/] LISTEN / WATCH EVERYWHERE 🎧 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/they-might-be-self-aware/id1730993297 [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/they-might-be-self-aware/id1730993297] 🎧 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3EcvzkWDRFwnmIXoh7S4Mb?si=3d0f8920382649cc [https://open.spotify.com/show/3EcvzkWDRFwnmIXoh7S4Mb?si=3d0f8920382649cc] 🎧 Everywhere else plus episode page: https://theblur.ai [https://theblur.ai] THE BLUR Follow: @TheBlurAI You're listening to They Might Be Self-Aware, from The Blur. New episodes Monday and Thursday. #AI #TMBSA #PopeLeoXIV #Anthropic #Grok
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