Part-1 Matrescence & Grief with Jackie Turner, MFT

Embodied Grief with Dr. Ann Saffi Biasetti

In this episode Embodied Grief with Dr. Ann Saffi Biasetti [https://www.anembodiedlife.com/] and Dr. Jessica Thomas [https://drjessicathomas.com/]we discuss how grief can be stored in the body and the importance of somatic release for healing. The conversation covers the difference between stuck grief and the ongoing grieving process, emphasizing self-compassion and the integration of mind and body. Dr. Ann shares her personal journey and practical guidance for embodiment and recovery, including yoga, meditation, and grounding practices. The episode also previews her upcoming book [https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/816612/your-body-never-meant-you-any-harm-by-ann-saffi-biasetti-phd-lcsw/] and resources for ongoing support. Resources An Embodied Life [https://www.anembodiedlife.com/] Your Body Never Meant You Any Harm [https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/816612/your-body-never-meant-you-any-harm-by-ann-saffi-biasetti-phd-lcsw/] Befriending Your Body [https://www.amazon.com/Befriending-Your-Body-Self-Compassionate-Disordered/dp/1611806089] Consider joining Dr. Jessica Thomas [https://drjessicathomas.com/]in a training, podcast or her newsletter [https://mailchi.mp/29453c96cc40/innerlandscapeofgrief]!

Transforming End-of-Life Care in Prisons, with Laura Musselman

In this episode Dr. Jessica Thomas [https://drjessicathomas.com/therapeutic-mindful-photography-training/] is joined by Laura Musselman [https://hospicefoundation.org/experts-educators/laura-musselman/], Director of Development and Communications at the Prison Hospice Project [https://humaneprisonhospiceproject.org/about-us/who-we-are/], for a deeply moving conversation about compassion, dignity, and humanity at the end of life behind prison walls. As an end-of-life doula with a background in trauma support, Laura draws on her experience in both end-of-life care and prison programming to support the organization’s growth. Through storytelling,advocacy, and resource development, she helps ensure incarcerated caregivers receive the training and support needed to provide dignified end-of-life care In this episode, Laura shares how her own experiences with grief led her into hospice work and ultimately to advocating for end-of-life care within the prison system. Together, they explore how prison hospice programs reclaim humanity in environments often defined by punishment, offering connection, meaning, and care where it is least expected. The conversation highlights thevital role of peer caregivers—incarcerated individuals trained to provide hospice support to their fellow residents. Laura discusses how this training extends beyond practical caregiving skills to include human-centered education around presence, ritual, storytelling, and honoring the dying. For many caregivers, this work becomes a profound source of purpose, healing, andpersonal transformation. Dr. Thomas and Laura also reflect on the emotional toll carried by caregivers who regularly witness death and loss, emphasizing the importance of community support, ritual, and shared meaning-making. They address the systemic barriers to humane end-of-life care in prisons—including stigma, bureaucracy, and limited resources—and the urgent need to expand prison hospice programs nationwide. This episode invites listeners to consider what compassion looks like in overlooked spaces, how grief can connect rather than divide us, and why dignity at the end of life must be recognized asa human right—regardless of circumstance. Takeaways: ·  Laura Musselman's personal experiences withgrief inspired her to work in hospice care. ·  Hospice care in prisons helps reclaim humanityin a system often defined by punishment. ·  Caregivers in prisons often feel a sense ofpurpose and humanity through their work. ·  Training for peer caregivers includes bothpractical skills and human-centered modules. ·  Community support is crucial for caregivers whoface ongoing grief and loss. ·  Personal stories and rituals play a significantrole in the caregiving process. ·  Barriers to humane end-of-life care includestigma and bureaucratic obstacles. ·  Expanding prison hospice programs is vital forproviding compassionate care. Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Transforming Grief 01:03 Laura Musselman's Journey to Hospice Care 03:10 Understanding Hospice in Prisons 05:34 The Impact of Caregiving on Incarcerated Individuals 09:16 Training Peer Caregivers in Prisons 11:21 The Transformative Nature of Caregiving 14:14 Cultural Change Through Compassionate Care 17:32 Anecdotes and Rituals in Caregiving 19:43 The Impact of Compassionate Care in Prisons 24:23 Navigating Grief and Loss in Incarceration 27:21 Barriers to Humane End-of-Life Care 31:25 Expanding Prison Hospice Programs 33:52 The Importance of Research in Prison Care 35:08 Reflections on Compassion and Dignity Humane Prison Hospice: Resources , [https://humaneprisonhospiceproject.org/resources/]Advocacy [https://humaneprisonhospiceproject.org/help-us/], Blog [https://humaneprisonhospiceproject.org/news/blog/] Please consider joining me [https://linktr.ee/drjessicathomas?utm_source=ig&utm_medium=social&utm_content=link_in_bio&fbclid=PAZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQMMjU2MjgxMDQwNTU4AAGnVObEjldkVLGNAr5efgtSq8haGF3nS9XjIrWPC8mVWC_lwMbY-cTaBWPvSPM_aem_XToXXTjXWZnZz-FsWGEcnQ] in this shared journey of learning, creating, and cultivating meaningful, transformative conversations.

Ecological Grief, Spirituality and Environmentalism with Dr. Panu Pihkala

In this enlightening conversation, Dr. Jessica Thomas [https://drjessicathomas.com/about/] speaks with Panu Pihkala [https://www.existentialtoolkit.com/panu-pihkala]about the intricate relationship between eco-grief, eco-anxiety, and spirituality. They explore personal journeys into nature, the historical context of ecological grief, and the importance of naming emotions. The discussion delves into the role of rituals in healing, the significance of mind mapping for emotional exploration, and the constructive power of anger in climate activism. Ultimately, they emphasize the need for balance between grief and action, and the importance of community support in navigating these complex emotional landscapes. Takeaways * Eco-grief is an ancient phenomenon, not just a new concept. * Disenfranchised grief occurs when societal support for grief is lacking. * Children have an innate ability to connect with nature. * Rituals can help in processing eco-grief and eco-anxiety. * Naming emotions related to ecological loss is crucial for healing. * Mind mapping can be an effective tool for exploring ecological emotions. * Anger can be a constructive force in climate activism. * Spirituality and environmentalism are deeply interconnected. * Finding balance between grief and action is essential for mental health. * The Climate Emotions Wheel helps individuals articulate their feelings. Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Transforming Grief 02:28 Personal Journey into Ecology and Spirituality 05:17 Nature Connection and Childhood Experiences 07:44 Understanding Eco-Grief 10:31 The Historical Context of Ecological Grief 12:56 Disenfranchised Grief and Its Implications 15:37 Eco-Anxiety: Definitions and Distinctions 18:04 Spiritual Crisis and Ecological Concerns 20:37 Rituals and Healing in Nature 23:04 Naming Emotions: The Importance of Language 25:48 Mind Mapping and Emotional Exploration 28:14 The Role of Anger in Climate Activism 30:55 Spirituality and Environmentalism 33:38 Finding Balance in Grief and Action 36:24 The Climate Emotions Wheel 38:46 Coping Mechanisms for Eco-Anxiety 41:24 Conclusion and Final Thoughts Resources ⁠Working with Ecological Emotions: Mind Map and Spectrum Line⁠ [https://www.existentialtoolkit.com/panu-pihkala] Climate Mental Health Network [https://www.climatementalhealth.net/] Eco-Anxiety Process [https://www.ecoanxietyprocess.com/] Climate Emotions Wheel [https://www.ecoanxietyprocess.com/] Panu Pihkala [https://researchportal.helsinki.fi/en/persons/panu-pihkala/] Using The Process Model In Groups [https://nyaspubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/nyas.15344]

Part-2 Matrescence & Grief with Dr. Erin McCloskey

In this conversation, Dr. Jessica Thomas [https://drjessicathomas.com/] and Dr. Erin McCloskey [https://www.liverpool.ac.uk/people/erin-mccloskey]delve into the intricate relationship between motherhood, grief, and identity. They explore how experiences of loss shape personal journeys and academic pursuits, particularly in the context of matrescence. The discussion highlights the importance of advocating for mental health support, the complexities of navigating grief while becoming a mother, and the intergenerational echoes of loss that influence their experiences. Through personal stories and insights, they emphasize the need for open conversations about grief and the challenges of motherhood. *  Motherhood is often discussed in terms of joy, but it also involves significant transitions and identity shifts. * Grief can profoundly impact one's understanding of self and relationships. * Personal experiences of loss can shape academic research and professional focus. * Advocating for mental health support is crucial during the journey of motherhood. * Matrescence is a complex process that involves both physical and emotional changes. * Intergenerational stories of loss can influence how we process our own grief. * It's important to acknowledge the difficulties of motherhood alongside its joys. * Vulnerability can lead to deeper connections and understanding in relationships. * Cultural expectations can complicate the experience of grief and loss. * Open conversations about grief can help destigmatize the experiences.

Part-1 Matrescence & Grief with Jackie Turner, MFT

This is part one of a two-part series exploring the intersection of matrescence and grief. In this first episode, Jessica Thomas and systemic therapist Jackie Turner explore the concept of matrescence, the transformative journey of becoming a mother, and the many aspects of grief that surface. They discuss the emotional and psychological transitions involved, highlighting the importance of recognizing matrescence as a profound developmental transition rather than just a medical or physical event. A significant aspect of matrescence is the experience of grief, often seen as an unexpected companion in the journey of motherhood. This discussion highlights how grief can manifest in various forms: the loss of a previous identity, the surfacing of intergenerational wounds, and the challenges of adapting to new roles and ways of perceiving, and so much more. Keywords matrescence, motherhood, emotional transition,psychological transition, developmental transition   Takeaways * Matrescence is a transformative journey that includes identity changes. * Grief is a natural part of the transition into motherhood. * Normalizing grief can foster connection and resilience. * Small losses during matrescence often go unacknowledged. * Intergenerational trauma can surface during matrescence. * Anxiety and attachment issues are common in new parents. * Psychoeducation is crucial for supporting new parents. * Personal storytelling helps normalize experiences of grief. * Contradictory emotions are a normal part of parenthood. * Interdisciplinary support can enhance the experience of matrescence.   Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Matrescence and Grief 02:42 Understanding Matrescence: A Transformative Journey 05:15 The Role of Grief in Motherhood 07:54 Acknowledging Losses During Matrescence 10:42 Reprocessing Grief Through Parenthood 13:43 Navigating Mortality and Anxiety in Pregnancy 21:13 Intergenerational Influences on Grief 24:37 Cultural Narratives and Matrescence 25:45 Psychoeducation and Support in Matrescence 28:03 Reflective Practices and Identity Crisis 33:15 The Power of Personal Storytelling 35:27 Interdisciplinary Approaches to Matrescence About Jackie Turner, MFT Jackie is a relational therapist who works with women navigating matrescence—the profound transition into motherhood. She’s also a mom to a daughter, a writer, and a nature lover, with a spiritual lens that shapes both her life and her work. Her website is JackieTurnerTherapy.com [https://www.jackieturnertherapy.com/] Resources Matrescence.com [https://www.matrescence.com/] Pregnancy resculpts women's brains for at least 2 years [https://www.science.org/content/article/pregnancy-resculpts-women-s-brains-least-2-years] Khora Lab [https://www.khoralab.org/currentstudies] Books Motherhood: Facing and Finding Yourself by Lisa Marchiano [https://www.amazon.com/Motherhood-Finding-Yourself-Lisa-Marchiano/dp/1683646665] Women as Mothers by Sheila Kitzinger [https://www.amazon.com/Women-Mothers-Themselves-Different-Cultures/dp/0394506510] Matrescence by Lucy Jones [https://www.amazon.com/Matrescence-Childbirth-Motherhood-Lucy-Jones/dp/0593317319] Additional Podcasts This Jungian Life: Motherhood as Depth Initiation [https://thisjungianlife.com/ep24/]