Getting Taken Down is Cool & SOCAN vs. AI

Who’s a Psyop Now?

The future of getting paid for our songs rests on blockchain vs. bureaucracy, as Will reports back on Australian musician Jo Loewenthal's 19-part "deep forensic investigation" of global publishing. We also touch on the launch of Subvert after opening with a dismissal of the year's biggest Upsample-core story. (0:00) We're skipping Pysop Geese-gate (2:35) Subvert launched (8:55) The joloew [https://www.instagram.com/joloew] publishing investigation (32:17) Joel Gouveia [https://joelgouveia.substack.com/p/the-most-profitable-glitch-in-the ] covers the same story (39:16) Blockchain? (53:08) Recommendations Recs: * Will - watch Living for the City [https://www.youtube.com/@LivingfortheCityPod] hosted by Hanif Abdurraqib, keeping in mind that Live Nation is producing it * Carson - listen to My New Band Believe [https://mynewbandbelieve.bandcamp.com/album/my-new-band-believe] FIND US: Will -YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@williamchernoff/ -Rhythm Changes: https://www.rhythmchanges.ca/ -Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/williamchernoff/ Carson -YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ctworow/ -Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/ctworow.bsky.social/ -Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ctworow/ Hosted by Carson Tworow & Will Chernoff. Edited and mixed by Will Chernoff. A Chernoff Music podcast [https://chernoffmusic.com/pages/podcasts]. Theme music by Carson Tworow.

Ticket Talk w/ Gigpit Co-Founder Evan Dungate

Evan Dungate of Gigpit [https://gigpit.ca] joins us! Gigpit, headquartered in Victoria and also running in Vancouver, is a new local live music platform that offers concert listings and a ticketing service, currently with no fees. The company has five young co-founders: Evan, Aidan Polglase, Ellie Scott, Josh Taylor, and MacKenzie Joyal. Will and Carson get a feel for their work and take a detour in the middle to discuss the Live Nation / Ticketmaster U.S. DOJ case. (0:00) Let's get our $200k! (1:46) Evan's background (7:21) The Gigpit team (10:33) Ticketing & no-fee PWYC model (20:21) Live Nation found liable by jury (27:15) Ticketweb & stealth subsidiaries (31:59) Handling the pressure to grow (34:51) How to win a presenter? (38:48) Writing & video sessions (44:15) How to get involved with Gigpit (49:18) The Shaggy story (50:46) Recommendations with Evan Recs: * Evan - Standard Issue Pleasure Model - [https://standardissuepleasuremodel.bandcamp.com/album/tripsitter]Tripsitter [https://standardissuepleasuremodel.bandcamp.com/album/tripsitter] | Christopher Atkins - [https://christopheratkins.bandcamp.com/track/another-year]Another Year [https://christopheratkins.bandcamp.com/track/another-year] | Hedonist - [https://hedonistsl.bandcamp.com/album/scapulimancy]Scapulimancy [https://hedonistsl.bandcamp.com/album/scapulimancy] * Will - check out Infinite Catalog’s breakdown of Spotify’s Loud & Clear PR stats [https://infinitecatalog.substack.com/p/louder-and-clearer-2026-part-1-the] * Carson - Charlotte Cornfield - [https://charlottecornfield.bandcamp.com/album/hurts-like-hell ]Hurts Like Hell [https://charlottecornfield.bandcamp.com/album/hurts-like-hell ] FIND US: Will -YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@williamchernoff/ -Rhythm Changes: https://www.rhythmchanges.ca/ -Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/williamchernoff/ Carson -YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ctworow/ -Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/ctworow.bsky.social/ -Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ctworow/ Hosted by Carson Tworow & Will Chernoff. Edited and mixed by Will Chernoff. A Chernoff Music podcast [https://chernoffmusic.com/pages/podcasts]. Theme music by Carson Tworow.

Sora Shutdown, Spotify Profile Protection, AI Can't Write

(0:00) Toronto Blue Jays opening day (2:31) Will's physical media level-up (4:59) OpenAI shuts down Sora (17:35) Spotify Artist Profile Protection (30:29) Jasmine Sun on AI and creative writing (50:44) Triple recommendations Carson recs: * Gregory Uhlmann - [https://intlanthem.bandcamp.com/album/extra-stars]Extra Stars [https://intlanthem.bandcamp.com/album/extra-stars], * Photokem - [https://photokem.bandcamp.com/album/a-mat-in-the-garden]A Mat in the Garden [https://photokem.bandcamp.com/album/a-mat-in-the-garden], * kJADE - [https://kjade.bandcamp.com/album/on-everything-i-love]On Everything I Love [https://kjade.bandcamp.com/album/on-everything-i-love]. Will recs: * Tomeka Reid Quartet - [https://outofyourheadrecords.bandcamp.com/album/dance-skip-hop]dance! skip! Hop! [https://outofyourheadrecords.bandcamp.com/album/dance-skip-hop], * Marquis Hill - [https://marquishill.bandcamp.com/album/beautifulism-sweet-surrender](Beautifulism) Sweet Surrender [https://marquishill.bandcamp.com/album/beautifulism-sweet-surrender], * smush - [https://smushcore.bandcamp.com/album/standards-ep]standards EP [https://smushcore.bandcamp.com/album/standards-ep]. FIND US: Will -YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@williamchernoff/ -Rhythm Changes: https://www.rhythmchanges.ca/ -Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/williamchernoff/ Carson -YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ctworow/ -Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/ctworow.bsky.social/ -Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ctworow/ Hosted by Carson Tworow & Will Chernoff. Edited and mixed by Will Chernoff. A Chernoff Music podcast [https://chernoffmusic.com/pages/podcasts]. Theme music by Carson Tworow.

Getting Taken Down is Cool & SOCAN vs. AI

let's talk about fully automated slopitalism and the threats to performance rights organizations & songwriters No episode 2 weeks from now (Mar. 13), we return later in March. (0:00) Music MCP (which got taken down) (8:40) SOCAN's AI policies & advocacy (36:23) "Pre-deplatformed" cool content (50:27) Dave King of The Bad Plus' rant (54:54) Recommendations 1. Darren Hemmings linking to Music MCP at [https://networknotes.motiveunknown.com/p/death-by-a-thousand-bots]Network Notes [https://networknotes.motiveunknown.com/p/death-by-a-thousand-bots] 2. SOCAN "Stop Unlicensed AI Training" petition [https://win.newmode.net/socan/stopunlicensedaitraining ] 3. Ryan Broderick's story at Garbage Day: "The only taboo left is copyright infringement: the future of media is pre-deplatformed" [https://www.garbageday.email/p/the-only-taboo-left-is-copyright-infringement] 4. Nate Chinen's interview at [https://thegig.substack.com/p/the-bad-plus-near-the-finish-line ]The Gig [https://thegig.substack.com/p/the-bad-plus-near-the-finish-line ] with Dave King and Reid Anderson of The Bad Plus [https://thegig.substack.com/p/the-bad-plus-near-the-finish-line ] Recs: Will - watch Sun Ra: Do The Impossible [https://www.pbs.org/wnet/americanmasters/sun-ra-do-the-impossible-documentary/37455/] on PBS [https://www.pbs.org/wnet/americanmasters/sun-ra-do-the-impossible-documentary/37455/] (if you can) and listen to the music of Sun Ra and his Arkestra, Carson - listen to The Call [https://bellbirdband.bandcamp.com/album/the-call ] by Bellbird [https://bellbirdband.bandcamp.com/album/the-call ] FIND US: Will -YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@williamchernoff/ -Rhythm Changes: https://www.rhythmchanges.ca/ -Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/williamchernoff/ Carson -YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ctworow/ -Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/ctworow.bsky.social/ -Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ctworow/ Hosted by Carson Tworow & Will Chernoff. Edited and mixed by Will Chernoff. A Chernoff Music podcast [https://chernoffmusic.com/pages/podcasts]. Theme music by Carson Tworow.

Post-American Internet

"Move fast and break... Kings!" That's what Cory Doctorow calls for in his recent talk [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39jsstmmUUs ]. We discuss a potential "post-American internet" future per that talk, then we weave in two related stories: Anna's Archive scraping virtually all of Spotify for torrenting, and Pitchfork launching a paywall. No episode 2 weeks from now (Feb. 13), we return later in February. (0:00) Intro (2:15) Cory Doctorow talk (38:35) Anna's Archive scrapes Spotify (53:17) Pitchfork paywall (1:02:17) Recommendations Legal complaint against Anna's Archive here [https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/files/2026/01/Annas-Archive.pdf]. Recs: Will - listen to Catalog Club podcast series by Steven Hyden at [https://stevenhyden.substack.com/p/introducing-catalog-club ]Evil Speakers [https://stevenhyden.substack.com/p/introducing-catalog-club ] on Substack [https://stevenhyden.substack.com/p/introducing-catalog-club ], which covered Lucinda Williams in January. Carson - read Richard Powers novels, including The Echo Maker which Carson gave to Will. FIND US: Will -YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@williamchernoff/ -Rhythm Changes: https://www.rhythmchanges.ca/ -Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/williamchernoff/ Carson -YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ctworow/ -Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/ctworow.bsky.social/ -Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ctworow/ Hosted by Carson Tworow & Will Chernoff. Edited and mixed by Will Chernoff. A Chernoff Music podcast [https://chernoffmusic.com/pages/podcasts]. Theme music by Carson Tworow.