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There Is No Environment: Māori Philosophy, Interconnection, and the Roots of the Ecological Crisis with Carl Mika
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What if the environmental crisis is really a crisis of worldview? In this episode, Sara sits down with Professor Carl Mika — Professor of Māori and Indigenous Philosophies, and Head of School of Aotahi: School of Māori and Indigenous Studies, University of Canterbury — for a conversation that goes straight to the roots of how we see ourselves in relation to everything else. Carl challenges some of the most taken-for-granted assumptions in Western thought: that the self is separate from the world, that knowledge is something to be accumulated, that sustainability is "out there" to be managed. Drawing from Māori philosophy and his own work at the intersection of indigenous thought and academia, he invites us to sit with what we can't fully know — and to find that discomfort deeply instructive. Together, Carl and Sara explore how colonization didn't just reshape land and bodies, but also language, academic structures, and the very way we relate to each other and to the Earth. They talk about the Māori concept of te kore and te pō — nothingness and darkness — not as absence or failure, but as vital and ever-present dimensions of existence that our optimism-obsessed culture desperately tries to escape. This is a conversation about what sustainability could mean if we stopped treating nature as "out there" — and started recognizing, as Carl puts it, that "the environment is not the environment. There is no such thing as environment." Expect philosophy, provocation, and a reminder that the most radical act might just be to sit with someone over coffee — no agenda, no formal structure — and simply get to know them. In this episode: * Why cultural appropriation of the haka and Māori symbols misses the most important thing: the lived daily experience they come from * How colonization wounded the colonizer too — and why that question rarely gets asked * The limits of the word "sustainability" and why one indigenous leader said "today it is sustainability, yesterday it was life" * Two (or three) forms of interconnection in Māori philosophy — and why the most radical one unsettles the foundations of Western institutions * How academic writing is itself a colonized form — and what it would mean to write differently * Te kore and te pō: why Māori cosmology holds nothingness and darkness not as the past, but as permanently present * What Māori relational practices can teach us about connecting beyond formal collaboration structures About Carl Mika:Professor Carl Mika is a philosopher and Head of School at the University of Canterbury, Aotearoa New Zealand. Of Tūhorangi and Ngāti Whānauapiti descent, his work sits at the intersection of Māori philosophy, indigenous studies, and the philosophy of language. He holds a background in law and a PhD in German Studies, and his writing explores how indigenous thought can fundamentally challenge — and enrich — Western intellectual traditions.
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