Whiteness at Work with Dr. Penny Rabiger

with Dr. Charmaine Brown and Professor Denise Miller

Description In this episode of the Whiteness at Work [https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/whiteness-at-work/id1782561091] podcast, Dr. Claire Stewart-Hall [https://equitablecoaching.com/] engages with Professor Denise Miller [https://www.gre.ac.uk/people/rep/faculty-of-education-and-health/denise-a-miller] and Dr. Charmaine Brown [https://drcharmainebrown.com/] to explore the concept of whiteness, its implications in educational settings, and experiences with racism. They discuss the mechanisms to dismantle whiteness, the role of research in advocating for change, and the psychosocial costs of racism faced by staff in educational institutions. The conversation emphasises the importance of awareness, community empowerment, and the need for meaningful research that impacts society beyond academia. Dr. Claire Stewart-Hall and guests delve into the complexities of studying racism, allyship, and the psychosocial costs associated with these experiences. They discuss the importance of understanding the perspectives of both Black individuals and white allies in academia, the challenges of institutional racism, and the need for a shift in power dynamics to foster genuine change. The conversation highlights the ongoing struggle against institutional racism and the necessity of addressing whiteness in discussions about equity and inclusion. Keywords whiteness, racism, privilege, education, institutional racism, equity, diversity, research, community empowerment, activism, racism, allyship, psychosocial costs, institutional racism, whiteness, academia, diversity, equity, inclusion, research Chapters 00:00 Understanding Whiteness and Its Impact 06:58 Personal Journeys with Whiteness 16:04 Mechanisms to Dismantle Whiteness 21:11 Research as a Tool for Change 32:55 Exploring the Psychosocial Costs of Racism 36:41 The Costs of Allyship and Racism 39:32 Exploring Psychosocial Costs of Racism 43:52 The Role of White Perspectives in Racism 48:59 Shifting the Narrative on Institutional Racism 51:51 Reflections on Change and Progress 01:00:34 Methodological Insights on Whiteness 01:08:08 Understanding Whiteness and Power Dynamics We discuss the journal papers: Miller, D., Brown, C. and Essex, R. (2023) ‘The psychosocial costs of racism to White staff members of an ethnically diverse, post-92 university’. London Review of Education, 21 (1), 39. DOI: https://doi.org/10.14324/LRE.21.1.39. [https://journals.uclpress.co.uk/lre/article/pubid/LRE-21-39/] Miller, D., Essex, R. and Brown, C. (2025) ‘“I’m managed by a White man who’s managed by a White man who’s managed by a White woman who’s managed by a White man”: the problem of institutional racism in a UK-based university’. London Review of Education, 23 (1), 8. DOI: https://doi.org/10.14324/LRE.23.1.08. [https://journals.uclpress.co.uk/lre/article/pubid/LRE-23-8/] We also reference the journal papers: Exum, M.L. (2022).  ‘White students’ perceptions of the costs and consequences of being black’.  Race and Social Problems, : 1–17, Advance online publication. DOI: http://dx.doi.org/10.1007/s12552-022-09364-5 [http://dx.doi.org/10.1007/s12552-022-09364-5] Miller, P. (2016).  ‘White sanction’, institutional, group and individual interaction in the promotion and progression of black and minority ethnic academics and teachers in England.  Power and Education 8 (3) : 205–21, DOI: http://dx.doi.org/10.1177/1757743816672880 [http://dx.doi.org/10.1177/1757743816672880] Spanierman, L.B; Todd, N.R; Anderson, C.J. (2009).  ‘Psychosocial costs of racism to Whites: Understanding patterns among university students’.  Journal of Counseling Psychology 56 (2) : 239–52, DOI: http://dx.doi.org/10.1037/a0015432 [http://dx.doi.org/10.1037/a0015432] [PubMed [http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21866985]] Find out more at: https://equitablecoaching.com/ [https://equitablecoaching.com/]

Whiteness at Work with Dr. Penny Rabiger

In this episode, we welcome Dr. Penny Rabiger, [linkedin.com/in/pennyrabiger]researcher, facilitator, connector and anti-racist community resource who is the lead Coach on the Anti-Racist Schools Award at The Centre for Race, Education and Decoloniality [https://www.leedsbeckett.ac.uk/research/centre-for-race-education-and-decoloniality/] Penny is an educationalist who studies structural racism in school contexts. We discuss jewishness, being racialised into whiteness as white people, dreams, school contexts and the formations of whiteness in society. References Alexander, C. (2009) Beyond Black, in Back, L. & Solomos, J. (Eds.). (2009). Theoriesof Race and Racism: A Reader (2nd ed.), pp 209 - 225. Abingdon: Routledge.https://doi.org/10.4324/9781003060802 Andrews, K. (2023) The Psychosis of Whiteness: Surviving the Insanity of a Racist World. London: Allen Lane. https://www.class13.org/ Coard, B. (1971). "Making Black Children Subnormal in Britain." Equity and Excellence in Education, 9(5), 49-52 Cushing, I., & Snell, J. (2023). The (white) ears of Ofsted: A raciolinguistic perspective on the listening practices of the schools inspectorate. Language in society, 52(3), 363-386. Grant, V. (2025) https://www.integritycoaching.co.uk/blog/building-a-compassionate-school-system/isolation-stress-tears-truth-school-leader/ [https://www.integritycoaching.co.uk/blog/building-a-compassionate-school-system/isolation-stress-tears-truth-school-leader/] Ignatiev, N., & Garvey, J. (eds.) (1996) Race Traitor. New York: Routledge. Okun, T. White Supremacy Culture. Found Online [https://www.whitesupremacyculture.info/] Lentin, A. (2025) The New Racial Regime: Recalibrations of White Supremacy  [https://www.indigo.ca/en-ca/the-new-racial-regime-recalibrations-of-white-supremacy/9780745347967.html]is out in May 2025 with Pluto Press. Salisbury, J. (2022). "How, still, is the Black Caribbean child made educationally subnormal in the English school system?"  Consider this talk on 22 April 2025: https://events.manchester.ac.uk/event/event:g1z0-m8pxip9l-lbq2pr [https://events.manchester.ac.uk/event/event:g1z0-m8pxip9l-lbq2pr] Penny's website [https://educationemail02.wixsite.com/pennyrabiger/workshops-and-talks] Equitable Coaching's Monthly White accountability space [https://calendly.com/equitable-coaching/resisting-racism-white-accountability-space] booking link

Whiteness at Work with Bernice Hewson

In this episode Dr. Claire Stewart-Hall talks with Bernice Hewson, who is a coach, trainer and racial equity scholar. Bernice is the founder of Raising Racial Consciousness [https://raisingracialconsciousness.com/] and writes and delivers programmes for practitioners and coaches, leaders and allies to deepen practice and challenge whiteness. We talk about whiteness in the institution, in coaching and in therapeutic spaces and the importance of inner race work for people practising in these fields. References Roche, C & Passmore, J. (2021) Racial Justice, Equityand Belonging in Coaching Henley Business School: UK [https://assets.henley.ac.uk/v3/fileUploads/Racial-Justice-Equity-and-Belonging-in-Coaching.pdf] Find Bernice's Linked In profile here [https://www.linkedin.com/in/bernicehewson/]

Whiteness at Work with Stephen Francis

If you would like to hear more about the work of social justice researcher, Stephen Francis, here are some links to his work and profile: Article [https://www.jamaicaobserver.com/2025/02/04/church-schools-student-success-jamaica/] LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenlfrancis/⁠] References Stephen Francis referred to and some other reading that might help: Farrell, F. (2021). White Man face, order words and deviance detectors: a Deleuzoguattarian analysis of fundamental British values. Prism: Casting New Light on Learning, Theory and Practice., 1-24. Advance online publication.  https://doi.org/10.24377/prism.ljmu.0302202 [https://doi.org/10.24377/prism.ljmu.0302202] Hall, S. (2017).Familiar stranger: A life between two islands. Duke University Press. hooks, b. (1997) Representing Whiteness in the Black Imagination. DisplacingWhiteness. Duke University Press. DOI: 10.1215/978082270-006 Hylton, K., & Hylton-Fraser, K. (2022). An evaluation of the “every child can learn, every child must learn” mantra’s alignment with educational policies inJamaica.Equity in Education & Society,27526461211066497 Jackson, M., Von Dohlen, H., & Black-Chen, M. (2024). Preparing school leaders for social justice: An analysis of educational leadership preparation programs in Jamaica.Equity in Education & Society. https://doi.org/10.1177/27526461241235937 Miller, K. (2013). A Smaller Sound, A Lesser Fury: A Eulogy for Dub Poetry. InWriting Down the Vision: Essays & Prophecies (pp. 79–90). Peepal Tree.  Miller, K. (2021). Mr. Brown, Mrs White & Ms Black. InThings I Have Withheld,(pp. 18–42). Canongate Books Ltd.  Sriprakash, A, Rudolph, S. and Gerrard, J. , (2022).Learning Whiteness: Education and the Settler Colonial State, London: Pluto Press, 2022.

Why Talk About Whiteness? The Why

In this episode Dr. Claire Stewart-Hall raises questions about why talking about whiteness is critical to its abolition and how it has affected her life and beliefs. She covers the why about whiteness - why study it? and what is the purpose? Equitable Coaching can be contacted for services here [https://equitablecoaching.com/coaching/resisting-racism/] You can book [https://calendly.com/equitable-coaching/resisting-racism-white-accountability-space] into our monthly a white accountability space [https://equitablecoaching.com/coaching/resisting-racism/] here [https://calendly.com/equitable-coaching/resisting-racism-white-accountability-space]. References Bonilla-Silva, E., Goar, C., & Embrick, D. G. (2006). When Whites Flock Together: The Social Psychology of White Habitus. [https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1163/156916306777835268] Critical Sociology, 32(2-3), 229-253. Grant, V. (2025) Integrity Coaching, Race, Identity and School Leadership Programme, https://www.integritycoaching.co.uk/race-work/identity-race-programme/ [ https://www.integritycoaching.co.uk/race-work/identity-race-programme/] Helms, J. E. (2014). Toward a model of White racial identity development. [https://marypendergreene.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/HelmsWhiteIDModel.pdf]In College student development and academic life (pp. 207-224). Routledge. Ignatiev, N. (2012). How the Irish became white. Routledge. Michael, A. (2015). Raising race questions: Whiteness and inquiry in education. Teachers College Press.