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In this episode of Fighting Matters, Steve Kwan is joined by Hannah Gais, a senior research analyst at the Southern Poverty Law Center who has tracked white nationalist and neo-Nazi movements since 2016 and also trains jiu-jitsu. They get into how active clubs and far-right groups use combat sports gyms as recruitment grounds, why most practitioners don't see it happening, and what coaches and gym owners can actually do about it. βΈ» π Links Mentioned: - Southern Poverty Law Center β https://splcenter.org [https://splcenter.org] - Hannah Gais on Bluesky β https://bsky.app/profile/hannahgais.bsky.social [https://bsky.app/profile/hannahgais.bsky.social] - Louis Theroux Manosphere documentary β https://www.netflix.com/ca/title/81920687 [https://www.netflix.com/ca/title/81920687] - Global Project Against Hate and Extremism β https://globalextremism.org [https://globalextremism.org] βΈ» π₯ Featuring: - Steve Kwan β https://bjjmentalmodels.com [https://bjjmentalmodels.com] - Hannah Gais β https://splcenter.org [https://splcenter.org] βΈ» π§ Topics Discussed: - How active clubs use gyms to recruit without revealing their intentions - The entryism playbook: how fringe movements infiltrate institutions - Warning signs that someone is testing the waters at your gym - Shifting the Overton window through sports and social media - Jake Shields, the Manosphere, and BJJ's far-right influencer problem - Where gym owners should draw the line - How people leave the movement, and what coaches can do to help βΈ» π Chapters: 00:00 β Introducing Hannah Gais 00:54 β Hannah's work at the SPLC 04:18 β How big is the problem, really? 07:01 β Why the movement has gone mainstream 15:16 β The Overton window and how they shift it 17:45 β Jake Shields and the sane-washing of extremists 20:27 β Warning signs at your gym 24:50 β Immigration as an entry point 31:32 β What white nationalism actually means 39:32 β Entryism: how they build from within 43:05 β What gym owners should watch for 47:57 β Hiding your power level 53:31 β BJJ's far-right influencer problem 55:35 β Where to draw the line 01:00:21 β How people leave the movement 01:03:54 β Hannah's links and the Manosphere documentary
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