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Podcast door Force Management

Welcome to the Revenue Builders podcast, a weekly show featuring B2B sales leaders and executives. Hosted by Five-time CRO John McMahon and Force Management’s Co-Founder John Kaplan, the show goes in the barrel, behind the scenes with the people who have been there, done that and seen the results. Revenue Builders covers the best practices for scaling and growing your business, while sharing the pitfalls to avoid. Great conversation. Solid interviews. Tangible takeaways to help you succeed. If you enjoy our content, please subscribe, rate and review the show to help us reach more people. This show is brought to you by: Force Management where we help companies improve sales performance, executing their growth strategy at the point of sale. Check out forcemanagement.com more information

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episode Surrounding Yourself with a Great Team with Matt Nolan artwork
Surrounding Yourself with a Great Team with Matt Nolan

In this short segment of the Revenue Builders Podcast, we revisit the discussion with Matt Nolan, CRO of Redwood Software, to discuss what it really takes to scale a revenue organization beyond the $200M mark. Matt shares what he’s learned stepping into the CRO role—shifting from deal-maker to system-builder, navigating cultural integration post-acquisition, managing board dynamics, and building trust through authentic leadership. If you're a sales leader, aspiring CRO, or operating in a private equity-backed company, this candid conversation is loaded with actionable insights. KEY TAKEAWAYS [00:00:30] The shift from deal involvement to systems thinking as a CRO [00:01:40] Navigating complexity: PLG, SLG, and assisted motions in one org [00:02:15] Tackling organizational friction points no one else can move [00:03:00] Building credibility with a board that has a different go-to-market background [00:03:45] The challenge of balancing learning vs. initiating change as a new leader [00:05:00] Why being authentically yourself is the best leadership strategy [00:06:15] How to build trust without gutting legacy teams [00:06:45] Culture wins: no account conflicts, cross-region harmony, and shared mission [00:07:15] Going from “best kept secret” to magic quadrant leader QUOTES [00:01:45] “My job is to go turn all the ‘what's not working’ into ‘what's working.’” [00:02:10] “There are some rocks in the business that only the CRO can move." [00:03:05] “You’ve got to earn trust to make big moves—especially when your vision differs from the board’s.” [00:05:00] “The only way to do it is to be yourself—even if that means being more open than most." [00:06:50] “I’m proud of a very corny thing: no account conflict has ever escalated to me in three years. [00:07:00] “We were the best kept secret in software—now we’re in the magic quadrant.” Listen to the full conversation through the link below: https://revenue-builders.simplecast.com/episodes/navigating-the-cro-role-while-building-a-great-culture-with-matt-nolan [https://revenue-builders.simplecast.com/episodes/navigating-the-cro-role-while-building-a-great-culture-with-matt-nolan] Enjoying the podcast? Sign up to receive new episodes straight to your inbox: https://hubs.li/Q02R10xN0 [https://hubs.li/Q02R10xN0] Check out John McMahon’s book here: Amazon Link: https://a.co/d/1K7DDC [https://a.co/d/1K7DDC4] Check out Force Management’s Ascender platform here:  https://my.ascender.co/Ascender/ [https://my.ascender.co/Ascender/] Force Management is hiring for a Sales Director. Apply here: https://hubs.li/Q02Zb8WG0 [https://hubs.li/Q02Zb8WG0] Read Force Management's eBook: https://www.forcemanagement.com/roi-of-sales-messaging [https://www.forcemanagement.com/roi-of-sales-messaging]

Gisteren - 7 min
episode Scaling High-Growth Companies with Marcello Gallo artwork
Scaling High-Growth Companies with Marcello Gallo

In this episode of the Revenue Builders Podcast, hosts John McMahon and John Kaplan are joined by Marcello Gallo, Chief Revenue Officer at Sigma Computing. The discussion dives into Marcello's extensive experience in enterprise sales leadership, including his non-traditional path, lessons from leading roles at various companies, and the importance of structure, mentorship, and continuous learning. Marcello shares valuable insights on transitioning from technical roles to sales, territory management, and the significance of aligning with customer needs to drive value. The conversation also emphasizes the importance of having a growth mindset, understanding customer environments, and leveraging product-market fit for sustained success. ADDITIONAL RESOURCES Learn more about Marcello Gallo: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gallomarcello/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/gallomarcello/] Download the CRO Strategy Checklist: https://hubs.li/Q03f8LmX0 [https://hubs.li/Q03f8LmX0] Read Force Management’s Guide to Increasing Company Valuation: https://hubs.li/Q038n0jT0 [https://hubs.li/Q038n0jT0] Enjoying the podcast? Sign up to receive new episodes straight to your inbox: https://hubs.li/Q02R10xN0 [https://hubs.li/Q02R10xN0] HERE ARE SOME KEY SECTIONS TO CHECK OUT [00:01:53] Marcello's Journey into Enterprise Sales [00:08:13] The Importance of Structure in Sales [00:28:37] Navigating Major Accounts and Complex Sales [00:34:32] Understanding the Champion's Role in Sales [00:35:15] Building Strong Relationships with Champions [00:37:59] The Importance of Predicting and Preparing for Objections [00:39:14] Role-Playing and Preparation Techniques [00:40:05] Leadership and Helping Teams Get Unstuck [00:42:03] Lessons from Climbing the Corporate Ladder [00:43:21] The Value of Enablement and Territory Management [00:46:20] Adapting to Market Changes and Customer Feedback [00:53:59] Choosing the Right Opportunities and Taking Risks [01:04:50] Sigma Computing's Growth and Opportunities HIGHLIGHT QUOTES “If you can't bet on yourself, who can you bet on?" “Knowledge is courage.” “You get delegated to those that you sound like.” “Hire the people commensurate to the territory that you have open.” “Don't confuse position with opportunity.”

01 mei 2025 - 1 h 9 min
episode Going High and Wide in Strategic Accounts with Jane Thompson artwork
Going High and Wide in Strategic Accounts with Jane Thompson

In this short segment of the Revenue Builders Podcast, we revisit the discussion with Jane Thompson of BigPanda to unpack the art and science of selling into strategic accounts. Jane shares hard-won wisdom on navigating multi-divisional enterprises, building champions across layers of influence, and translating technical capabilities into board-level business value. If you want to elevate from tactical selling to true strategic impact, this episode delivers the roadmap. KEY TAKEAWAYS [00:00:45] Focus beyond standard research—find personal executive insights to connect meaningfully. [00:01:15] Strategic sellers must bridge technical solutions to business outcomes. [00:02:00] Map value by stakeholder: technical director, VP, CIO—tailor it to each. [00:03:30] Selling to multi-divisional organizations requires managing multiple champions, needs, and value props. [00:04:15] Ecosystems are interdependent—solutions impact multiple departments. [00:05:00] Use the “M and W Effect” to navigate accounts vertically and horizontally. [00:06:00] Prevent single-threading—schedule multiple meetings at once and communicate openly. QUOTES [00:01:20] “Anyone can go read a 10-K, but go find personal tidbits that help you build a champion at every level.” [00:01:55] “You have to translate what you do into business issues—or you’re not going to be a good strategic account rep.” [00:02:40] “If you think in a strategic sense, mapping value by stakeholder becomes second nature.” [00:04:00] “It’s a skill to unify multiple divisions with multiple stakeholders into a single ROI conversation.” [00:05:10] “If you’re not moving up and down in the org chart, you won’t make it in strategic accounts.” [00:06:05] “Be transparent—reach high and wide without being sneaky. It works if done right.” Listen to the full conversation through the link below. https://revenue-builders.simplecast.com/episodes/selling-into-strategic-accounts-with-jane-thompson [https://revenue-builders.simplecast.com/episodes/selling-into-strategic-accounts-with-jane-thompson] Enjoying the podcast? Sign up to receive new episodes straight to your inbox: https://hubs.li/Q02R10xN0 [https://hubs.li/Q02R10xN0] Check out John McMahon’s book here: Amazon Link: https://a.co/d/1K7DDC4 [https://a.co/d/1K7DDC4] Check out Force Management’s Ascender platform here:  https://my.ascender.co/Ascender/ [https://my.ascender.co/Ascender/] Force Management is hiring for a Sales Director. Apply here:  Revenue Builders Podcast, John Kaplan, John McMahon, Force Managementhttps://hubs.li/Q02Zb8WG0 [https://hubs.li/Q02Zb8WG0] Read Force Management's eBook:  https://www.forcemanagement.com/roi-of-sales-messaging [https://www.forcemanagement.com/roi-of-sales-messaging]

27 apr 2025 - 6 min
episode Navigating the CRO Role while Building a Great Culture with Matt Nolan artwork
Navigating the CRO Role while Building a Great Culture with Matt Nolan

In this episode of the Revenue Builders Podcast, hosts John McMahon and John Kaplan are joined by Matt Nolan, Chief Revenue Officer at Redwood Software. Matt shares his extensive experience in developing global revenue strategies, scaling enterprise automation solutions, and transitioning from venture capital to private equity environments. The conversation covers key lessons such as the importance of culture, the significant role recruiting plays in a CRO's success, the complexities of managing a board, and strategies for building top-performing sales teams. Matt emphasizes the critical nature of hiring ahead, discipline in recruiting, the layered impact of having strong leaders, and creating a high-performance, team-based culture that can drive prolific growth. Listeners will gain valuable insights on how to build and sustain a winning sales organization. ADDITIONAL RESOURCES Learn more about Matt Nolan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewanolan [https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewanolan/] https://www.linkedin.com/company/redwood-software/ [https://www.linkedin.com/company/redwood-software/] Download the CRO Strategy Checklist: https://hubs.li/Q03f8LmX0 [https://hubs.li/Q03f8LmX0] Read Force Management’s Guide to Increasing Company Valuation: https://hubs.li/Q038n0jT0 [https://hubs.li/Q038n0jT0] Enjoying the podcast? Sign up to receive new episodes straight to your inbox: https://hubs.li/Q02R10xN0 [https://hubs.li/Q02R10xN0] HERE ARE SOME KEY SECTIONS TO CHECK OUT [00:02:02] Lessons from a First-Time CRO [00:03:47] Building and Maintaining Company Culture [00:04:45] Navigating Leadership During COVID-19 [00:06:05] Managing the Board and Leadership Challenges [00:07:03] Scaling Revenue and Systems Thinking [00:10:15] Recruitment and Team Building Strategies [00:11:16] The Importance of Authentic Leadership? [00:15:21] Fostering a Team-Based Culture [00:20:39] Recruitment Pipeline and Talent Acquisition [00:21:30] The Relentless Pursuit of Top Talent [00:34:00] The Power of Networking and Recruiting [00:35:14] Building a Leadership Team [00:36:15] The Importance of Recruiting Top Talent [00:39:10] Sourcing and Recruiting Strategies [01:01:21] The Role of Culture in Building a Dynast HIGHLIGHT QUOTES "Recruiting is the foundation and culture is what sustains you and allows you to win multiple championships." "Once you see the impact of having great people, you can't unsee it." "You can be bad at everything, but if you're great at recruiting, you can cover for a lot of sins." "Every word you say as a leader is internalized deeply by your team." "You've got to be relentless about recruiting, it can't just be something you do when there's an opening."

24 apr 2025 - 1 h 5 min
episode Interacting with the Board as a CRO with Bob Ranaldli artwork
Interacting with the Board as a CRO with Bob Ranaldli

In this short segment of the Revenue Builders Podcast, we revisit the discussion with Bob Ranaldi of FTV Capital to unpack the delicate dynamics between CROs, CEOs, and board members. From managing expectations to avoiding pitfalls of dysfunction, this conversation dives deep into how CROs can approach board interactions with strategy, self-awareness, and alignment. Perfect for revenue leaders who want to strengthen executive relationships and drive healthy boardroom collaboration. KEY TAKEAWAYS [00:00:35] Understand the Board’s Purpose: CROs must recognize the board’s role in needs analysis and bringing strategic value—not just oversight [00:01:10] Diversify Board Experience: Great boards consist of varied backgrounds and expertise; avoid redundancy in experience sets [00:01:45] Root Cause vs. Surface Complaints: Before raising issues with the board, ensure the CRO and CEO have sought resolution together. [00:02:15] Bring Solutions, Not Just Problems: Leaders must shift from venting to proactive solution-building [00:02:50] Avoid Commiserating with Board Members: CROs should direct internal concerns to CEOs first, not the board—keep relationships clear and constructive. [00:03:30] Align Board Expertise with Department Needs: Strong boards mirror company functions, acting as mentors to department leaders when the CEO is confident and secure. QUOTES [00:00:55] "The board needs to do a needs analysis… making sure you don’t have redundancy in experience is really important." [00:02:00] "If you’ve got a problem and you’re not thinking about a solution, then you’ve got to look in the mirror." [00:02:50] "If you're bringing something to me that looks like you don’t have a solution, you’re just complaining." [00:03:50] "The really good CEOs bring in board members who can act as mentors aligned to each function. [00:04:15] "For that to work, the CEO must be very secure in their job." Listen to the full conversation through the link below. https://revenue-builders.simplecast.com/episodes/understanding-the-nuances-of-the-cro-ceo-relationship [https://revenue-builders.simplecast.com/episodes/understanding-the-nuances-of-the-cro-ceo-relationship] Enjoying the podcast? Sign up to receive new episodes straight to your inbox: https://hubs.li/Q02R10xN0 [https://hubs.li/Q02R10xN0] Check out John McMahon’s book here:  Amazon Link: https://a.co/d/1K7DDC4 [https://a.co/d/1K7DDC4] Check out Force Management’s Ascender platform here:  https://my.ascender.co/Ascender/ [https://my.ascender.co/Ascender/] Force Management is hiring for a Sales Director. Apply here: https://hubs.li/Q02Zb8WG0 [https://hubs.li/Q02Zb8WG0] Read Force Management's eBook: https://www.forcemanagement.com/roi-of-sales-messaging [https://www.forcemanagement.com/roi-of-sales-messaging]

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