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Over Risk! Engineers Talk Governance
Due Diligence and Risk Engineers Richard Robinson and Gaye Francis discuss governance in an engineering context.Richard & Gaye are co-directors at R2A and have seen the risk business industry become very complex. The OHS/WHS 'business', in particular, has turned into an industry, that appears to be costing an awful lot of organisations an awful lot of money for very little result. Richard & Gaye's point of difference is that they come from the Common Law viewpoint of what would be expected to be done in the event that something happens. Which is very, very different from just applying the risk management standard (for example). They combine common law and risk management to come to a due diligence process to make organisations look at what their risk issues are and, more importantly, what they have to have in place to manage these things.Due diligence is a governance exercise. You can't always be right, but what the courts demand of you is that you're always diligent
Breaking SFAIRP down to three parts: So Far (SF). As Is (AI). Reasonably Practicable (RP)
In this episode of Risk! Engineers Talk Governance, due diligence engineers Richard Robinson and Gaye Francis break down the concept of SFAIRP "So Far As Is Reasonably Practicable" into three key parts: "So Far", "As Is", and "Reasonably Practicable". This was one of their key take-aways from their recent Live Forum where lawyer Joseph Coleiro articulated the following: * "So Far" refers to the notion of doing as much as possible to address a risk, rather than just meeting a target level of risk. * "As Is" refers to the information and circumstances available at the time a decision is made, rather than considering hindsight. * "Reasonably Practicable" is defined in legislation, considering the likelihood and degree of harm, what is known about the risk, the availability and suitability of controls, and the cost associated with implementing those controls. The discussion details a legal case where an organisation was prosecuted for failing to implement various risk controls, demonstrating that negligence often arises from unimplemented, insufficient, or failed precautions. Overall, the key is to break down SFAIRP into these three distinct elements and to not leave out any part, especially when it is fully defined in the Legislation or Act. For further information on Richard and Gaye’s consulting work with R2A, head to https://www.r2a.com.au, where you’ll also find their booklets (store) and a sign-up for their quarterly newsletter to keep informed of their latest news and events. Gaye is also founder of Australian women’s safety workwear company Apto PPE https://www.aptoppe.com.au.
Formal Safety Assessments
In this episode of Risk! Engineers Talk Governance, due diligence engineers Richard Robinson and Gaye Francis discuss Formal Safety Assessments. Key highlights include: * A Formal Safety Assessment (FSA) is meant to provide a logical and reasoned argument that can withstand legal scrutiny. * Formal Safety Assessments should identify the critical issues of concern, the current controls in place, and the further practical controls that could be considered, as well as the reasoning for implementing or not implementing those further controls. * Many FSAs lack this logical reasoning and instead just list risks and general controls, without clearly connecting them to the specific hazards. * Threat barrier diagrams can help provide a logical structure by clearly showing the issues of concern, the controls, and the consequences. * Formal Safety Assessments should be concise and focused, not hundreds of pages long, as the key is to present a clear, robust argument. * Formal Safety Assessments should also be regularly reviewed and updated to reflect changing context and availability of new controls, rather than just being recycled from previous versions. For further information on Richard and Gaye’s consulting work with R2A, head to https://www.r2a.com.au, where you’ll also find their booklets (store) and a sign-up for their quarterly newsletter to keep informed of their latest news and events. Gaye is also founder of Australian women’s safety workwear company Apto PPE https://www.aptoppe.com.au.
Safety Culture (Revisited)
In this episode of Risk! Engineers Talk Governance, due diligence engineers Richard Robinson and Gaye Francis revisit the topic of Safety Culture. They review the work of Professor Patrick Hudson, who identified five levels of safety culture, from pathological (who cares as long as we're not caught) to generative (safety is how we do business around here). Richard and Gaye observe that many organisations tend to be more reactive, focusing on implementing controls after incidents occur, rather than striving for a generative safety culture. They note that the transition from a bureaucratic, rule-based approach to a proactive, thinking-based approach is challenging, and caution the use of AI, which can lead to a lack of critical thinking. They end with how organisations should aspire to a generative safety culture, even though it may be an aspirational goal, and highlight the need for clear commitment to safety at all levels of the organisation, rather than just from Board level. For further information on Richard and Gaye’s consulting work with R2A, head to https://www.r2a.com.au, where you’ll also find their booklets (store) and a sign-up for their quarterly newsletter to keep informed of their latest news and events. Gaye is also founder of Australian women’s safety workwear company Apto PPE https://www.aptoppe.com.au.
Could vs Should in Workplace Safety
In this episode of Risk! Engineers Talk Governance, due diligence engineers Richard Robinson and Gaye Francis discuss Could vs Should in Workplace Safety. (Thanks Nick for your email, case reference and questions.) They explore the critical distinction between what "could" have been done versus what "should" have been done in workplace safety, sparked by the SKM Services case against Magistrates Courts of Victoria, and discuss how experts often use hindsight to determine what could have prevented an incident, whereas courts must assess what was reasonably practicable with the knowledge available at the time. Key take-aways include: * The danger of hindsight bias in safety assessments * Why documenting decisions not to implement controls is crucial * The importance of collaborative risk assessment workshops over single-person sign-offs * How due diligence protects both engineers and directors from liability * Why safety decisions must be regularly reviewed as technology and circumstances change Richard and Gaye reiterate that while you can't always be right, you can always be diligent—and proper documentation of your decision-making process at the time is your best defence if something goes wrong. Article reference for SKM Services Pty Ltd v Magistrates' Court of Victoria & Anor [2019] VSC-460: https://www.claytonutz.com/insights/2019/august/court-clarifies-the-meaning-of-reasonable-practicability-in-ohs-after-finding-a-magistrate-has-misstated-the-test [https://www.claytonutz.com/insights/2019/august/court-clarifies-the-meaning-of-reasonable-practicability-in-ohs-after-finding-a-magistrate-has-misstated-the-test] For further information on Richard and Gaye’s consulting work with R2A, head to https://www.r2a.com.au, where you’ll also find their booklets (store) and a sign-up for their quarterly newsletter to keep informed of their latest news and events. Gaye is also founder of Australian women’s safety workwear company Apto PPE https://www.aptoppe.com.au.
Safety & Planning Law Complications
In this episode of Risk! Engineers Talk Governance, due diligence engineers Richard Robinson and Gaye Francis discuss the complications of Safety Legislation & Planning Law. Drawing on their extensive experience across multiple Australian jurisdictions—including Victoria, New South Wales, Queensland, and federal government projects—Richard and Gaye discuss the challenges engineers and designers face when navigating competing legislative requirements. They examine why Work Health and Safety (WHS) legislation doesn't always take precedence in planning decisions, despite common assumptions, and how this creates significant complications for professionals trying to ensure safe outcomes. For further information on Richard and Gaye’s consulting work with R2A, head to https://www.r2a.com.au, where you’ll also find their booklets (store) and a sign-up for their quarterly newsletter to keep informed of their latest news and events. Gaye is also founder of Australian women’s safety workwear company Apto PPE https://www.aptoppe.com.au.
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