Sober Curious

In this episode, you will hear me in conversation with Kelly McDaniel, a therapist and author, whose latest book, Mother Hunger, examines the impact on women specifically of having lacked the proper nurturance, protection, and guidance from their primary maternal figure in early life. The reason I wanted to speak to Kelly in the context of “women without kids,” is that it seems obvious to me that living with mother hunger can’t NOT have an impact on how one feels about becoming a mother, or about the experience of being a mother after having had a child. In  the episode we discuss: -Kelly’s definition of “mother hunger” and how she came up with the term. -Why 50% of the population experience mother hunger and how it manifests in issues around food and love. -What causes mother hunger - and why this is often the result of an epigenetic inheritance. -Why structural issues make it harder for mothers and babies to bond - and the lifelong attachment issues that can result from this. -How mother hunger impacts our procreative choices and how we may feel about becoming mothers ourselves. -The links between mother hunger, anorexia, and being “a-reproductive” (i.e. having no desire to reproduce). -The impact of a lack of paid parental leave on mother hunger -Why choosing not to have a child can be the most “loving” choice if we are aware that our capacity to mother is being compromised. -Why our materialistic, consumer culture is just another substitute mother - and a way we seek to soothe our mother hunger. Learn more about Kelly and her work HERE [https://kellymcdanieltherapy.com/] and check out Mother Hunger HERE [https://www.amazon.com/Mother-Hunger-Understand-Nurturance-Protection/dp/B097YZLM41/ref=sr_1_1?crid=66LNYAVG8GAQ&keywords=mother+hunger&qid=1679680921&sprefix=%2Caps%2C134&sr=8-1]. You can get your copy of Women Without Kids: The Revolutionary Rise of an Unsung Sisterhood HERE [https://www.amazon.com/Women-Without-Kids-Revolutionary-Sisterhood/dp/1683649273/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1679680975&sr=1-1].

Mickey Down and Konrad Kay, creators of HBO's Industry, on addictions to success, status and money, and the substance abuse that fuels their hit show. In the episode we discuss: -Why the themes of ambition, success, and money are at the heart of HBOs Industry – and how these themes manifest in various addictions among the characters -Choosing what we worship, and what happens when we put our faith in external things to make us feel safe, secure, happy, and whole -Why  recreational drug and alcohol use is so normalized – and how it morphs into more problematic use, especially in high pressure industries -The individual drivers behind the culture of “success addiction” and “never enough” depicted in the show -The role of childhood wounds in our self-destructive adult behaviors -The transactional nature of the sex depicted in the show, and what this says about the characters’ lack of capacity for connection and vulnerability -Dating apps being the crack cocaine of courtship – and the role of this in an addictive hookup culture -The motivations for two of the characters getting sober in Season 2, and their different approaches to their sobriety -The complexity of human nature, and how our “worst selves” often come out when we are feeling vulnerable and afraid -The role of art in helping us develop self-compassion for our less palatable actions and behaviors -Two key lines from the show that encapsulate our modern culture of excess  Seasons One and Two of Industry are streaming now on HBO. You can follow along on Instagram @industryhbo [https://www.instagram.com/industryhbo/] for updates. Big thank you to Ghia for partnering on this episode. Get your Ghia at Drinkghia.com [https://drinkghia.com/] where you can get  $10 off your first online order with the code CURIOUS.

Full-spectrum life coach Goddexx on transcending binaries, the roots of codependency, and embracing the fullness of who we are - in sobriety and beyond. In the episode we discuss: -Their experiences with food addiction in childhood – related to food insecurity in the home -Starting to abuse alcohol in tandem with coming into their bi-sexuality -Toggling between different addictions to manage different situations and emotional challenges -Discovering and enacting their own “harm reduction” approach to substance abuse -The role of codependency in dysfunctional families – and why this is especially prevalent in migrant and other marginalized communities -The prevalence of alcohol and other drugs in queer spaces as a way of numbing out internalized homophobia and transphobia -Their work creating sober circles and spaces for healing in the QTBIPOC space -The value of ritual, spell-work, and other forms of spiritual practice in sobriety -Healing from intergenerational trauma – and the role of substance abuse in numbing the pain of the past -What it means to live a “full spectrum” life – and why this concept can be frightening for people -The value of boundaries when it comes to embracing fluidity  Learn more about Goddexx and their work HERE [https://iamgoddexx.com/pages/statement] and follow them on Instagram @iamgoddexx [https://www.instagram.com/iamgoddexx/].  Big thanks to Ghia for partnering on this episode. Get your Ghia at Drinkghia.com [https://drinkghia.com/] where you can get  $10 off your first online order with the code CURIOUS. Thanks also to  Curious Elixirs.  Purchase directly online at Curiouselixirs.com [https://curiouselixirs.com/] where you can use the code RUBY22 for $10 off any order worth $50 or more.

Ghia founder Melanie Masarin shares how she came to be a pioneer in the nonalcoholic beverage space, and why quitting drinking was the best she ever did for her productivity and her wellbeing. In the episode we discuss: -How her upbringing in France informed her drinking choices in later life -How the drinking culture in France differs from that in the UK and US -Cutting out alcohol to try to diagnose her stomach issues – and discovering how good it felt not to drink -Why not drinking is integral to her success as an entrepreneur  -Why taking a month off booze isn’t really enough to experience all the benefits of living alcohol-free -The prophetic conversation that led to her coming up with the concept for Ghia -Her go-to drink when there is no Ghia on the menu -The social value of European “Aperitivo” culture - and why we don’t need alcohol to enjoy it -Not providing options for non-drinkers as a form of social discrimination -Why she has over-invested in getting Ghia into hospitality venues and the long-term vision attached to this -Being “sober curious” with cigarettes and coffee -Her experiences of the “Cali Sober” scene in LA Follow Melanie on Instagram @melaniemasarin [https://www.instagram.com/melaniemasarin/] and get your Ghia at Drinkghia.com [https://drinkghia.com/], where you can get $10 off your first online order with the code CURIOUS. Big thanks to Athletic Brewing for partnering on this episode. Get your brews at Athleticbrewing.com [https://athleticbrewing.com/] and use the code RUBY20 to receive 20% off your online order of any beer or Daypack sparking water products.

Jason Gots, podcaster and author of Humanity is Trying: Experiments in Living with Grief, Finding Connection, and Resisting Easy Answers, on the nature of human suffering, living with grief, and the Buddhist approach to addiction and self-discipline. In the episode we discuss: -Jason’s drinking history and what led to him getting sober curious -How Buddhist ideas and practices have influenced his relationship with alcohol -The conversation with his father than helped his sober curiosity stick -Having a lot of “drunken poets” as his early heroes, and letting go of his romantic associations with booze -How a culture of “survivalism” has been passed down the generations, and different generations’ responses to this -What the show Euphoria shows us about shifting motivations for substance use and abuse -The role that alcohol and other substances played in his relationship with his sister, and in her death in 2015 -Medicating our grief – for both the people and the things we have lost, and the things we fear we will never be able to have -Self-discipline as both punishment and liberation – and the role of “friendly curiosity” in supporting healthy new habits -The Buddhist concept of “the middle way,” and why it’s so hard to achieve this – through moderation – with a substance like alcohol Learn more about Jason and his work HERE [http://www.jasongots.com/], get your copy of Humanity is Trying HERE [https://www.amazon.com/Audible-Humanity-Is-Trying/dp/B09K8V2ZM2/ref=sr_1_1?crid=18GV50DCWRHOL&keywords=humanity+is+trying&qid=1658342507&sprefix=humanity+is+trying%2Caps%2C202&sr=8-1], and listen to the Clever Creature podcast HERE [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/clever-creature/id1490760751]. Big thanks to Ghia and Athletic Brewing for partnering on this episode. Get your Ghia at DrinkGhia.com [https://drinkghia.com/] and get $10 off your first online order with the code CURIOUS. Order your Athletic brews at Athleticbrewing.com [https://athleticbrewing.com/] and  use the code RUBY20 to receive 20% off your online order of any beer or Daypack sparking water products.