What Risk Frameworks are Needed for Institutional Adoption

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In this episode of Talking Tokens, Jacquelyn Melinek speaks with Mike Silagadze, founder and CEO of EtherFi, and Joseph Chalom, CEO of SharpLink, following SharpLink’s deployment ofed $200 million of its $2 billion ether treasury into EtherFi in January and what the due diligence process actually looked like from both sides. Mike explains why EtherFi is building a ‘DeFi bank,’ an end-to-end self-custody alternative to traditional banking with hundreds of thousands of users and over $5 billion in deposits.Joseph, who spent two decades at BlackRock before joining SharpLink, walks through how his team hired people from Bridgewater and FalconX specifically to underwrite DeFi risk, why tail risk is still risk, and how its permanent capital gives SharpLink an advantage most crypto allocators don't have. The conversation covers why the recent wave of DeFi exploits could have been stopped with basic intervention tools, why stablecoin rails will be the main way crypto reaches the real economy, and tokenization growing as NYSE and Nasdaq opens for 24/7 trading. TIMESTAMPS (00:00) Intro (01:30) The relationship between EtherFi and SharpLink and why they work together (01:46) What EtherFi is building: the DeFi bank with $5-6 billion in deposits (02:24) SharpLink's $2 billion Ethereum treasury and why they deployed $200 million into EtherFi (03:38) Balancing speed and safety: why the DeFi risk playbook hasn't been written yet (05:28) Why institutions move slow deploying, but go fast when monitoring problems (07:25) How EtherFi approaches security: in-office teams, formal verification, and constant audits (08:26) Decentralization theater: why performative decentralization makes protocols less safe (09:17) Why EtherFi is building an emergency “red button” intervention system without compromising self-custody (10:53) How SharpLink's team underwrites DeFi risk (13:28) Why institutions are still in the first inning of DeFi adoption (17:28) How tokenized securities will unlock DeFi at a scale far beyond bitcoin and ether (22:11) Qualified custody with Anchorage and why ops alpha matters for institutional DeFi (23:09) What's next for EtherFi: global licensing and becoming a viable alternative to banks (25:56) Stablecoin rails as the main way crypto reaches the real economy (28:31) Tokenization about to expand as NYSE, Nasdaq, and DTCC opening up 24/7 (29:44) Final advice: stay safe, don't chase yield, and invest in young builders ESSENTIALS You can subscribe to the podcast on Spotify, Apple or YouTube. If you enjoy the show, please leave a review — it really helps. Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0LOgWxIQ0NnNUD5eXsSuoZ [https://open.spotify.com/show/0LOgWxIQ0NnNUD5eXsSuoZ] Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/talking-tokens/id1743669141 [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/talking-tokens/id1743669141] Follow us on X Jacquelyn: https://twitter.com/jacqmelinek [https://twitter.com/jacqmelinek] Talking Tokens: https://twitter.com/_TalkingTokens [https://twitter.com/_TalkingTokens] Follow us on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/_talkingtokens/ [https://www.instagram.com/_talkingtokens/] Note: This podcast is for informational purposes only. Views shared are opinions, not financial advice. The host or guests may have financial interests in discussed content.

Why Focusing on Tailored Approaches in Emerging Markets is the Move | Torab Torabi

On today's Talking Tokens, Jacquelyn sits down with Torab Torabi, CEO of Move Industries, to discuss Movement’s strategic reorientation toward becoming a stablecoin settlement and yield layer for emerging markets. Torab shares what he learned from sitting down with the Ethiopian president and Ministry of Finance, why governments in these markets don’t want an unchecked flight to dollars, and why he thinks most teams chasing emerging markets with tokenized stocks or T-bill yields are headed straight for a brick wall. Torab also discusses the Movement Network Foundation repurchasing approximately 19% of MOVE tokens previously allocated to investors and what it means for the tokenholders going forward. TIMESTAMPS 00:00 Introduction to Move Industries and Torab Torabi 02:07 Evolution of Move Industries and Market Dynamics 05:07 Why the Foundation Bought Tokens Back 08:12 Focus on Emerging Markets and Government Engagement 12:12 Security Concerns in DeFi and User Fund Protection 15:19 Differentiating Markets: Developed vs. Emerging 19:04 Stablecoins and Gold in Emerging Markets 23:09 Sharia Compliance and Financial Products for Emerging Markets 24:30 Tokenization and Emerging Markets 26:24 Understanding Compliance in Financial Products 28:34 The Role of Government in Financial Scalability 31:48 Challenges in Currency Exchange and Adoption 34:09 Key Metrics for Success in Emerging Markets 36:10 Institutional Adoption vs. Emerging Market Focus 40:58 Strategic Reorientation and Future Plans You can subscribe to the podcast on Spotify, Apple or YouTube. If you enjoy the show, please leave a review — it really helps. Spotify: https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbC1wRk0yX2xxZG1scWRlZFhHV3V3QkpWR0RJZ3xBQ3Jtc0treGFBUWVDRGYyYWN1UGprSjItckRKNnROZ2x4Sl8yNjZJWnV6SFBVaXMwb2RObm14MDRHUnpZUmFxcWZlbTBfVGtlelF5bl9ObzkxMGNiU1ZwWGJfYllwZFJhZmNxd0pTaklBLUZuaGZfUkVKRWNIRQ&q=https%3A%2F%2Fopen.spotify.com%2Fshow%2F0LOgWxIQ0NnNUD5eXsSuoZ&v=bHnKqwU_Pm0https://open.spotify.com/show/0LOgWxIQ0NnNUD5eXsSuoZ [https://open.spotify.com/show/0LOgWxIQ0NnNUD5eXsSuoZ] Apple Podcasts: https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbDdpM0dxMUp3ZktXNm5tdWJscE5FbEw2ZnJsQXxBQ3Jtc0ttcnI3VHNVR0ctNXdobGZabVEtTE9aVW51OGJhcnZ0UFhmNmVCdHcyVHJQSi1SNGtUeU0xZnVqVUFlak9qaEdvcmRvXzRtWlpYSWpUZkNMZUpuQWZsS3ZWRW5ZelRvQWw4Y2xyYmxwMVdsd2toY3RWNA&q=https%3A%2F%2Fpodcasts.apple.com%2Fus%2Fpodcast%2Ftalking-tokens%2Fid1743669141&v=bHnKqwU_Pm0https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/talking-tokens/id1743669141 [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/talking-tokens/id1743669141] YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TalkingTokens [https://www.youtube.com/@TalkingTokens] Follow us on X Jacquelyn: / jacqmelinek [https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbHUwcjYtUXBFODE0VHl6MU1lLVpQUWh0WWMzQXxBQ3Jtc0trQlJkaEg2ZGQwVkpWVFZwcDlsLWZNbW9iVXJuRWx4QVh1ckdVT00wZnZlbU1DU1BjdFRQaW51bkU4Z0ltMmZPZ1ZQdl9LTkM5RFQ5WUdNaGFQc0tJcWg4LXg5UlZ2bEtCS21xb3UtSlBBWjVkYW1KTQ&q=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fjacqmelinek&v=bHnKqwU_Pm0] Talking Tokens: / _talkingtokens [https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbE0zMXV6bkd2SXdNWm5uZkh6UTB3cUNvYXFpQXxBQ3Jtc0tuS2NOM0xHTHBsTnJ6dUhIUmxFem9ON2Nkak82U3dic3NtR0FiMlZNN1UzakVyNlZWcHZteFBqM3Z5WnVRWWc5NFZBZ3hnN2ZNZ0dXM3dnNThITkdMUWlrVlhyTU9McUNyUVRqZ0VIZ2FvUkFSWE92RQ&q=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2F_TalkingTokens&v=bHnKqwU_Pm0] Follow us on Instagram / _talkingtokens [https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqa21BOHBTUF90bmJzNG5GWFY3aW9RNXlBLU9tUXxBQ3Jtc0trRVFXLTkzbGZtejhia1FoamJfaWNKdDF4aWZHaTRzUnBJWDJVODdaeWdTOTN3eUZnR3lpZlRidmRtcXh1dHdoNWhFUzNOcXA4cmd6U3MtdlJIVnBmRVoxQ0VsRWFOLUNEb3J4UzVyT3JBcXpPMVhkNA&q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.instagram.com%2F_talkingtokens%2F&v=bHnKqwU_Pm0] Note: This podcast is for informational purposes only. Views shared are opinions, not financial advice. The host or guests may have financial interests in discussed content.

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