The Charlene Gisele Show

Women in Law: Partnership & Motherhood: How to Succeed in Law & Life

In this International Women’s Day special, we’re celebrating leadership, resilience, and the realities of building a high-performing career while raising a family.In this episode, I’m joined by Olivia Ngan, partner at Sidley Austin in Hong Kong, to talk about navigating motherhood, ambition, and leadership in one of the world’s most demanding professions.Olivia’s story is remarkable. She had three pregnancies and three promotions, including a promotion to counsel after returning from maternity leave with four children under five. Throughout our conversation, she shares how resilience, strong support networks, and a positive mindset helped her navigate high-stakes deals, family responsibilities, and leadership at a global law firm.We talk about why work-life balance is often unrealistic, and why work-life integration or “fusion” is a more accurate way to think about modern leadership and family life. Olivia also shares her non-negotiables for wellbeing, how she maintains high performance under pressure, and the mindset shifts that help her reframe challenges rather than being overwhelmed by them.This conversation is a powerful reminder, especially on International Women’s Day, that leadership doesn’t have one path, and that ambition, family, and resilience can coexist.If you’re a lawyer, executive, founder, or working parent navigating career growth and family life, this episode offers a refreshing perspective on priorities, resilience, and redefining success on your own terms.Timestamps0:00 – Introduction2:01 – Olivia’s international career journey into law5:20 – Becoming a mother while building a demanding legal career10:02 – Four kids under five: navigating family and promotions15:30 – Why motherhood doesn’t have to limit career progression17:07 – Non-negotiables for wellbeing, parenting, and leadership22:28 – Leadership advice for women pursuing partnership29:08 – Work-life balance vs work-life integration36:12 – Cultural differences across global legal careers47:45 – Resilience: failing, standing up, and growing strongerWhat We Cover• How Olivia navigated three pregnancies and three promotions• Why support networks are essential for working parents• The concept of work-life integration instead of work-life balance• How resilience helps leaders navigate pressure and setbacks• Why building a career is a long game of trust and consistency• The mindset shift that helps high performers reframe challenges• Why leadership should be judged on merit, not gender• The importance of role modeling work ethic for the next generation• How fitness, routine, and discipline support long-term successKey Takeaways• Resilience is built through falling down and getting back up repeatedly.• Career growth and family life are not mutually exclusive.• A strong support network is essential to sustain high performance.• Work-life balance is often unrealistic; work-life integration is more practical.• Leadership should be measured by merit and contribution, not circumstance.• Showing children strong work ethic can be as powerful as being present.• Positive reframing helps leaders stay focused during difficult moments.• Success is a long-term game of consistency, trust, and dedication.Guest ResourcesOlivia Ngan – Sidley Austin Profile: https://www.sidley.com/en/people/n/ngan-oliviaOlivia Ngan on LinkedIn: https://hk.linkedin.com/in/olivia-ngan-b5281325Connect With Me🌍 Website: https://charlenegisele.com📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/charlenegisele💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/charlène-gisèle-bourliout/✉️ Subscribe to my Life Less Burnt Out NewsletterIf this episode resonated with you, share it with someone navigating leadership, parenthood, and ambition at the same time.

Presentation Skills, Public Speaking & Media Training for Leaders in the AI Era with Martine Croxall + Neil Midgley

What really sets humans apart in the age of AI? Presence.In this episode, I’m joined by Martine Croxall (BBC presenter) and Neil Midgley (former lawyer-turned-journalist & media trainer) to unpack why communication isn’t a “soft skill” at all, it’s an essential skill for leaders who want to influence, persuade, and build a personal brand that actually feels real.We talk about media training vs presentation skills, the biggest communication faux pas (hello jargon + “delighted to announce…”), and why every interview or public appearance is an exchange of commercial value. You’ll also hear how to stay truthful without oversharing, how to avoid sounding scripted in the social media era, and how to show up as an amplified version of your “resting state self”, confident, warm, and credible.If you’re a lawyer, exec, founder, or leader who’s ever thought “I’m not a natural speaker” or “I just want to be authentic,” this episode will give you a practical framework (and a few laughs) to show up better, on stage, on podcasts, on panels, and in the room.Timestamps0:00 – Introduction2:27 – The AI era: why “presence” is the real differentiator9:20 – Traits Martine sees in female leaders + transferable confidence13:45 – Personal brand today: authenticity that isn’t performative16:19 – “Amplify your resting state self” (authentic vs “media-trained”)21:46 – Media training vs presentation skills: what each actually covers28:05 – Biggest communication faux pas: jargon, no purpose, no stories31:12 – Every interview is an exchange of commercial value57:11 – Death by PowerPoint: why dense slides dilute your impact1:16:02 – How to measure if your speaking is “working” + getting real feedbackWhat we cover- Why presence becomes the differentiator as AI automates technical tasks- The difference between media training (answering questions) and presentation skills (speaking on your feet)- The communication framework: audience, purpose, and one key message- How to build a personal brand that’s true to you, not a performance- Why clarity beats jargon when you want your message to travel- Print interview strategy: the 8 quotes + 10-word headline approach- The biggest presentation trap: slides as scripts and “death by PowerPoint”- Why audiences disengage when they sense manufactured emotion- How to use warmth, humor, and playfulness appropriately to connectKey takeaways- Communication is not “soft.” It’s an essential leadership skill, especially in the AI era.- The goal isn’t to become someone else, it’s to be a bigger, better version of you.- Authenticity isn’t oversharing. You can be truthful while staying within professional and legal guardrails.- Every public appearance is an exchange of value, know what value you want before you say yes.- Start answers with the point, not the preamble. Attention is a two-second decision now.- If your slides work as handouts, they’re probably too dense to support great delivery.- When audiences smell fakery, they tune out, online and on stage.Guest ResourcesUpstage Training: https://upstagetraining.com [https://upstagetraining.com]Martine Croxall on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/themartinecroxall/?hl=en [https://www.instagram.com/themartinecroxall/?hl=en]Martine Croxall on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/martine-croxall-b0988a5/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/martine-croxall-b0988a5/]Neil Midgley on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/neil-midgley/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/neil-midgley/]Lift Your Voice, Power Your Ambition: https://www.upstagetraining.com/2026 [https://www.upstagetraining.com/2026]Connect with Me🌍 Website: https://charlenegisele.com📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/charlenegisele💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/charlène-gisèle-bourliout/✉️ Subscribe to my Life Less Burnt Out NewsletterIf this episode resonated with you, share it with a high-performing leader who’s brilliant at what they do — but knows their message deserves to land more powerfully.

Inside an Orchestra Conductor’s Mind: Overcoming Perfectionism, Performance Anxiety & Making Music

What makes someone musical, talent, training, or timing? In this episode, Raffaello Morales (conductor, pianist, and founder of Fidelio Café & Live Music Restaurant Farringdon) joins me for a conversation that reshaped how I think about musicality, performance, and the pressure baked into the classical music world. We talk about the nature vs nurture debate (especially through the lens of childhood and parenting), why the “right teacher at the right time” can change a life, and why Raffaello believes music isn’t about perfection, it’s about connection.We also go into a side of the industry most people don’t see: oversupply, shrinking audiences, intense competition, and the anxiety that follows musicians everywhere. Finally, we explore how Raffaello brought music into food through Fidelio, creating a space where music belongs back in everyday life, not locked behind elitism, silence, and strict rules. Timestamps 0:00 – Intro: nature vs nurture + what musicality really is 2:34 – Childhood dreams, identity, and why music can’t be “everything” 8:30 – Parenting, exposure, and whether a child can develop an ear 10:19 – The “right teacher at the right time” and how paths shift 20:15 – First instrument, early training, and stage anxiety 24:20 – “Music isn’t about perfection”, what matters more 33:18 – Why conducting can feel easier than playing 37:55 – What happens if the conductor isn’t there? 42:01 – Music as wellbeing vs music as a profession full of anxiety 54:39 – Fidelio: combining music + food to bring art back to normal life What We Cover * Nature vs nurture in musicality (and what shapes it early on) * Why teacher timing and guidance can change everything * Music as connection, not perfection * What a conductor actually does (tempo + expressive meaning) * The anxiety behind classical music as a career * Oversupply of musicians + shrinking audiences (and how that creates pressure) * Why the industry is becoming “either huge or invisible” * How Fidelio blends music, food, and real-life atmosphere * Leadership lessons: vision, people, and knowing when to speak (or stay quiet) Key Takeaways * Musicality is rarely “just talent”, it’s exposure + guidance + timing. * Perfection is not the point; connection is. * A conductor is the human layer between notes and meaning: tempo + expression. * The anxiety many musicians carry isn’t personal, it’s structural. * Music becomes more powerful when it’s reconnected to everyday life and community. * Building something meaningful requires people, trust, and restraint, not just opinion. Resources Fidelio Café (London): https://fidelio.cafe/ [https://fidelio.cafe/] Raffaello’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/raffomorales/?hl=en [https://www.instagram.com/raffomorales/?hl=en] Fidelio Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wearefidelio/ [https://www.instagram.com/wearefidelio/]  Raffaello’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/raffaello-morales-85b455213/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/raffaello-morales-85b455213/] Order Raffaello’s Book: The Earth of the Skies [http://amzn.eu/d/94lgIvc] Connect With Me 🌍 Website: https://charlenegisele.com [https://charlenegisele.com]📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/charlenegisele [https://instagram.com/charlenegisele]💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/charlène-gisèle-bourliout/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/charl%C3%A8ne-gis%C3%A8le-bourliout/]✉️ Subscribe to my Life Less Burnt Out Newsletter If this episode resonated, share it with someone who loves music, but has forgotten it’s meant to feel human.

Fertility for Type A Women: IVF, Burnout & Egg Quality with Dr. Natalie Crawford

What happens when a high-achieving woman hits her mid-to-late 30s, wants a baby more than anything… and realizes nobody ever taught her how fertility actually works? In this episode, I’m joined by Dr. Natalie Crawford, board-certified in OBGYN and Reproductive Endocrinology & Infertility, and co-founder of Fora Fertility in Austin, Texas. We talk directly to the “Stephanie” archetype: the brilliant, driven, time-poor, high-performing woman who’s crushing her career… and now feels like fertility is the one thing she can’t outwork. We cover what to do before jumping into IVF, how to think about genetic testing, how many IVF rounds are “safe,” and the emotional reality of the two-week wait (and why you shouldn’t go through it alone). Dr. Crawford also breaks down the science of stress, inflammation, and insulin resistance, without the dismissive “just relax” narrative. If you’re trying to conceive, considering IVF, navigating pregnancy loss, or planning baby #2 in your 40s, this conversation will give you data, clarity, and a calmer way to make decisions. Timestamps  0:00 – Why fertility planning matters for high-achieving women 5:18 – IVF at 38: should you fast-track or gather data first? 10:42 – Family goals (1 vs 3 kids) and why strategy changes 15:27 – Genetic testing: benefits, limits, and embryo expectations 21:08 – IVF rounds, safety, and clinic age cutoffs 28:54 – The emotional weight of the two-week wait 34:36 – Chronic stress, cortisol, and egg quality 41:22 – Support systems: therapy, hypnotherapy, acupuncture, community 48:03 – Planning baby #2 in your 40s + embryo banking 54:10 – Who The Fertility Formula is for + pre-order bonuses What We Cover * Fertility planning for high-achieving women with low time and high stress * What to test before IVF: ovarian reserve, anatomy, semen analysis, cycle tracking * IVF vs trying naturally at 38+: how to choose based on your family goal * Genetic testing (PGT-A): pros, limitations, and decision-making benefits * How many IVF rounds are safe + why “caps” aren’t one-size-fits-all * The two-week wait, infertility grief, and reducing isolation * Stress physiology: inflammation, glucose, insulin resistance, and egg/sperm quality * Planning postpartum IVF/embryo banking for baby #2 in your 40s Key Takeaways * Your plan should reflect your family goal (one child vs multiple), not just “get pregnant now.” * Data first: you can’t make good fertility decisions without testing and cycle awareness. * Genetic testing can reduce time, cost, and heartbreak by prioritizing embryos with higher potential. * Chronic stress has real biological effects, support and recovery time aren’t optional add-ons. * If you want baby #2 in your 40s, embryo banking can keep the door open while you recover postpartum. Connect With Natalie Website: https://www.nataliecrawfordmd.com/about [https://www.nataliecrawfordmd.com/about] Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/c/NatalieCrawfordMD [https://www.youtube.com/c/NatalieCrawfordMD]Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nataliecrawfordmd/?hl=en [https://www.instagram.com/nataliecrawfordmd/?hl=en] LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/natalie-crawford-md [https://www.linkedin.com/in/natalie-crawford-md] Pre-order Natalie’s “The Fertility Formula Book”: https://www.nataliecrawfordmd.com/book [https://www.nataliecrawfordmd.com/book] Connect With Me 🌍 Website: https://charlenegisele.com [https://charlenegisele.com]📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/charlenegisele [https://instagram.com/charlenegisele]💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/charlène-gisèle-bourliout/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/charl%C3%A8ne-gis%C3%A8le-bourliout/]✉️ Subscribe to my Life Less Burnt Out Newsletter [https://charlenegisele.com/newsletter/] 📖Read Your Fertility-Ready Home [https://charlenegisele.com/your-fertility-ready-home/]

From Magic Circle Lawyer to The Royal College of Art: Pursuing Passions Without Burnout

What happens when a high-achieving lawyer walks away from billable hours… and into a painting studio? In this episode, James Nepaulsingh shares his journey from working in high-pressure law to studying an MA in Painting at the Royal College of Art, and what it really feels like to rebuild your identity when your entire sense of worth has been tied to productivity, achievement, and external validation. We talk about success addiction, workaholism, the brutal vulnerability of making art, and why painting isn’t always “healing”, sometimes it’s straight-up torturous. James opens up about perfectionism, criticism, flow state, synesthesia, and the surprising emotional cost of becoming an artist after building a career in one of the most demanding industries in the world. Timestamps  0:00 – Intro 2:12 – Productivity identity + billable-hour PTSD 6:12 – Stigma in the art world: “lawyer with a hobby” 11:33 – RCA critiques, unlearning, and why painting feels torturous 14:33 – Family reactions + redefining identity 20:20 – Art as self-reflection (and what law suppresses) 23:34 – Burnout culture, overwork, and death in law 38:44 – Synesthesia, music, and how James experiences art 46:10 – Imperfection as rebellion against perfectionism 54:28 – Flow state, time distortion, and reduced anxiety What We Cover * Leaving a successful legal career to pursue art full-time * Success addiction, overachiever patterns, and external validation * Identity loss after stepping away from Big Law productivity * Why painting can feel like therapy and emotional torture * Synesthesia, sensory creativity, and hearing/seeing color * Burnout culture in law firms and the cost of overwork * Flow state, time distortion, and how creativity impacts anxiety Key Takeaways * Achievement can become an addiction, even when it looks like “success.” * Creativity isn’t always calming, sometimes it’s physically and emotionally brutal. * Productivity isn’t the same as purpose, and stepping away can feel destabilizing. * The artist's identity is built through struggle, not certainty. * Perfectionism can be unlearned by embracing imperfection on purpose. * Financial discipline creates freedom and options later in life. Flow state is real, and it can be one of the most powerful anti-anxiety tools. Connect With James 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nepopublic/ Connect With Me 🌍 Website: https://charlenegisele.com 📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/charlenegisele 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/charlène-gisèle-bourliout/ ✉️ Subscribe to my Life Less Burnt Out Newsletter If this episode resonated, share it with someone who’s quietly burning out behind a “successful” career.