The Grateful Podcast with Jack Wagoner

Why the Most Productive People Work Less (Not More) with Joe O'Connor | 133

56 min · 14 mei 2026
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Send us Fan Mail [https://www.buzzsprout.com/2302168/fan_mail/new] Joe O'Connor pioneered the global 4-day work week movement. He's coached governments, Fortune 500s, and pilot programs across three continents. But in this conversation, he says something every founder, employee, and student needs to hear: the way we're thinking about AI in the workplace is broken, and most people are about to sleepwalk into the same mistake we made with digitalization 30 years ago. We go deep on why 65% of knowledge workers say responding to messages matters more than their actual top priorities, the productivity gap that's quietly redistributing trillions of dollars, why "work life integration" is a trap, and the one shift every ambitious person needs to make before the next wave of AI hits. If you've ever felt like you're working harder than ever and somehow falling further behind, this one's for you. ⏰ TIMESTAMPS 00:00 — Introduction 00:40 — Why the 5-Day Work Week Was Built for a World That No Longer Exists 07:03 — Parkinson's Law and Why You're Wasting Your Best Hours 12:21 — The Atlassian Study That Should Terrify Every Founder (65%) 19:45 — The Cost of Always Being Available (For Founders Especially) 22:14 — Work Like a Lion, Not a Cow 22:40 — Jack's France Story: When Your Body Forces You to Stop 31:10 — Why 23 Minutes Is Killing Your Best Work 35:34 — How AI Could Bring Human Connection Back (The Customer Service Reframe) 38:55 — The Productivity-Wages Gap Nobody Talks About 41:52 — The Two Paths AI Will Take Us Down (One of Them Is Bad) 48:00 — What Universities Got Right (And Where They're Failing You) 51:58 — Give Every Hour a Mission 53:18 — The Two Skills That Will Matter Most in the Age of AI 55:18 — What Joe Is Grateful For 🔗 GUEST LINKS Joe O'Connor Work Time Revolution: worktimerevolution.com LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/joseph-l-o-connor Book: Do More in Four (Harvard Business Review Press, January 2026) Support the show [https://www.buzzsprout.com/2302168/support] ☕ Magic Mind — My daily performance shot: → https://magicmind.com/wagoner20 Use code WAGONER20 for 20% off a package or 48% off a subscription. 🧠 More from Jack: ► Website: https://jackwagoner.co ► Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jack_wagoner_/ ► 1:1 Coaching: jackcwagoner@gmail.com 📺 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Jack_Wagoner ⸻ 🎙️ About Jack: I moved to France alone at 16, started my first business at 17, and launched this podcast because I kept meeting people who had the answers to questions I didn't even know I was asking.  My philosophy: you can set massive goals while being deeply fulfilled right now. That's the duality of gratitude and ambition. Subscribe and turn on notifications so you never miss an episode. Stay grateful, stay hungry.

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Send us Fan Mail [https://www.buzzsprout.com/2302168/fan_mail/new] Most people ask before they get a yes. The best ask after. This weekend I recorded 23 podcast interviews in two days at Book Thinkers Live 2026, including Evan Carmichael, Kristen Butler, Marcus Kaulius, and Amberly Lago. I landed the live podcast at 19 because I broke a rule most people never think to break: I asked for more after the person had already said yes. Nick, the CEO of BookThinkers, invited me to the event for free. Instead of saying thank you and showing up, I asked if I could interview every speaker there. He said yes. Then the real work started. The Amazon disaster the night before. The smashed light at 11pm. The moment mid-weekend when I almost quit. What Marcus told me to do in the auditorium that saved the day. And the moment Evan Carmichael pulled out his phone and filmed a pitch to Ed Mylet on my behalf. If you've ever wondered why the ask you didn't make is costing you more than the one you did, this one's for you. ⏰ TIMESTAMPS 0:00 — 23 Interviews In 2 Days 1:12 — The Rule Nobody Teaches You 1:34 — How I Met Nick A Year And A Half Ago 3:15 — The Email That Changed Everything 4:15 — The Idea That Came Under Pressure 4:32 — Asking For More After The Yes 5:33 — Day One: Nine Interviews Blind 6:16 — The Moment I Almost Quit 7:20 — What Marcus Told Me To Do 8:10 — The Night Before Nearly Broke Me 10:08 — What Steve Jobs And Kobe Understood 11:01 — The Guest I Listened To In France Before I Had A Show 11:45 — When Evan Carmichael Pulled Out His Phone For Ed Mylet 12:33 — Why The Top Of The Pyramid Is Full Of Givers 15:04 — The One Thing To Take From This Support the show [https://www.buzzsprout.com/2302168/support] ☕ Magic Mind — My daily performance shot: → https://magicmind.com/wagoner20 Use code WAGONER20 for 20% off a package or 48% off a subscription. 🧠 More from Jack: ► Website: https://jackwagoner.co ► Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jack_wagoner_/ ► 1:1 Coaching: jackcwagoner@gmail.com 📺 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Jack_Wagoner ⸻ 🎙️ About Jack: I moved to France alone at 16, started my first business at 17, and launched this podcast because I kept meeting people who had the answers to questions I didn't even know I was asking.  My philosophy: you can set massive goals while being deeply fulfilled right now. That's the duality of gratitude and ambition. Subscribe and turn on notifications so you never miss an episode. Stay grateful, stay hungry.

17 jul 202616 min
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The Science Of Setting Goals You Actually Achieve with Emily Balcetis | 141

Send us Fan Mail [https://www.buzzsprout.com/2302168/fan_mail/new] In the 2008 Beijing Olympics, Michael Phelps dove into the pool for his eighth gold medal race, the race that would make him the greatest Olympian in history. Then his goggles started leaking. He couldn't see the wall. He couldn't see the finish. He won anyway. NYU psychologist Dr. Emily Balcetis explains what he did, why it worked, and how the same mental mechanism is what separates elite performers from everyone else. Emily is one of the world's leading researchers on how what we want changes what we see. Her TED talk has nearly 4 million views. She has spent twenty years studying Olympic athletes, marathon runners, and highly ambitious people, and she has found something most of us get backwards: elite performers are not seeing more. They are seeing less, on purpose. In this conversation we cover the science of narrow focus, why vision boards fail without an action plan, the Steve Jobs "reality distortion field" through the lens of behavioral psychology, why ambitious people who never savor a win eventually burn out, and the one question every high performer should ask before they set the next goal. If you have ever set a mark, hit it, reset it higher, and wondered why nothing lands, this one is for you.. ⏰ TIMESTAMPS 00:00 The Cold Open 01:08 Meet Dr. Emily Balcetis 01:45 The Leader In Your Head (And Why It Isn't You) 04:38 What Olympic Athletes Do That The Rest Of Us Don't 07:48 The Gorilla Your Eyes Refuse To See 11:18 Why Evolution Built Us To Miss Things On Purpose 13:07 Attention Addiction Machines 15:44 The Real Reason To Keep Your Phone Out Of Your Bedroom 19:14 Why Highly Ambitious People Almost Never Do This 24:03 Steve Jobs, The Reality Distortion Field, And What The Science Says 29:16 The Planning Fallacy 32:32 The Microsoft Study That Should Change How You Work 36:06 The Vision Board Lie 37:15 She Played Warp Tour At 18 40:53 The One Thing Michael Phelps Did That Nobody Else Did 44:30 Where To Find Emily 🔗 GUEST LINKS Dr. Emily Balcetis: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/emilybalcetis/ NYU Faculty Page: https://as.nyu.edu/faculty/emily-balcetis.html SPAM Lab (Social Perception Action and Motivation Lab): https://www.spamlabresearch.com/ Book, Clearer, Closer, Better: How Successful People See the World: https://www.amazon.com/Clearer-Closer-Better-Successful-People/dp/1524796468 TED Talk, "Why some people find exercise harder than others": https://www.ted.com/talks/emily_balcetis_why_some_people_find_exercise_harder_than_others ⸻ Support the show [https://www.buzzsprout.com/2302168/support] ☕ Magic Mind — My daily performance shot: → https://magicmind.com/wagoner20 Use code WAGONER20 for 20% off a package or 48% off a subscription. 🧠 More from Jack: ► Website: https://jackwagoner.co ► Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jack_wagoner_/ ► 1:1 Coaching: jackcwagoner@gmail.com 📺 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Jack_Wagoner ⸻ 🎙️ About Jack: I moved to France alone at 16, started my first business at 17, and launched this podcast because I kept meeting people who had the answers to questions I didn't even know I was asking.  My philosophy: you can set massive goals while being deeply fulfilled right now. That's the duality of gratitude and ambition. Subscribe and turn on notifications so you never miss an episode. Stay grateful, stay hungry.

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Three Words That Change How You're Remembered with Gratitude Expert Chester Elton | 140

Send us Fan Mail [https://www.buzzsprout.com/2302168/fan_mail/new] Chester Elton has spent 40 years teaching gratitude to executives. He's sold 1.6 million books. He's coached leaders at American Express, AT&T, the World Bank. But when his designer friend Ayse Birsel asked him "how have you designed time with your family?", his answer was three words: I don't do that. The world's leading gratitude expert wasn't doing the thing he teaches. In this conversation, Chester shares the question that rebuilt his family, the Harvard 85-year happiness study advice that changed how he schedules his life, and the story of his father, who sang at his own funeral through a cassette tape he pre-recorded before he died. We go deep on why the richest man in the world could never say "enough," why deflecting compliments is actually insulting the person giving them, why he carries gratitude stones in his pocket on every flight, and the single practice that separates a life worth living from a life that ends with an empty grave. If you've been that person who is so obsessed with what they're building that they maybe, just maybe, leave behind the people you are closest to... this one is for you. ⏱️ Chapters: 0:00 — Cold open: my father sang at his own funeral 1:22 — Where warmth actually comes from (it's not what you think) 6:41 — "I want to look successful on the outside while sacrificing everything inside" 10:23 — The three words that ruined the richest man in the world 14:00 — What Harvard's 85-year happiness study actually recommends 16:57 — The Christmas Carol test: what's on your gravestone? 19:45 — The cassette tape my father left behind 21:26 — "I think the killer's in the room" 23:51 — Marshall Goldsmith: why deflecting compliments insults people 27:45 — The question that rebuilt his family 29:32 — Why he wears orange (the Aesop fable behind the brand) 31:49 — The gratitude stone he invented (and gives to strangers) 33:05 — Barbara the flight attendant 39:23 — The platinum rule beats the golden rule 53:55 — The one thing you can do today 54:37 — Sonder: everybody's got a story 🔗 Connect with Chester: Website: https://chesterelton.com The Culture Works: https://thecultureworks.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chesterelton/ Anxiety at Work Podcast: available on Spotify and Apple Support the show [https://www.buzzsprout.com/2302168/support] ☕ Magic Mind — My daily performance shot: → https://magicmind.com/wagoner20 Use code WAGONER20 for 20% off a package or 48% off a subscription. 🧠 More from Jack: ► Website: https://jackwagoner.co ► Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jack_wagoner_/ ► 1:1 Coaching: jackcwagoner@gmail.com 📺 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Jack_Wagoner ⸻ 🎙️ About Jack: I moved to France alone at 16, started my first business at 17, and launched this podcast because I kept meeting people who had the answers to questions I didn't even know I was asking.  My philosophy: you can set massive goals while being deeply fulfilled right now. That's the duality of gratitude and ambition. Subscribe and turn on notifications so you never miss an episode. Stay grateful, stay hungry.

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TV Mentalist: The Best Hypnotist You Know Is Yourself | The Grateful Podcast Ep. 139

Send us Fan Mail [https://www.buzzsprout.com/2302168/fan_mail/new] Savio Joseph, Canada's Got Talent finalist, has built his entire career around one idea. The best hypnotist you know is already in your head. The words you say to yourself, the limits you accept before you ever try, the patterns you run without noticing. In this conversation, he walks me through how he sees that loop in other people, the auditions the world never saw before Canada's Got Talent, and what he had to unlearn to stop hypnotizing himself out of the life he wanted. At the end of the episode, he does something on camera that I still cannot explain. He explains: ◼️ Why the best hypnotist you know is already inside your head ◼️ How your memory invents details that were never there ◼️ The expectation rule that keeps his happiness off the achievement treadmill ◼️ Why every limit you have was set before you ever walked through the door ◼️ The Canada's Got Talent rejections that came before the yes ⏰ TIMESTAMPS 00:00 — What He Actually Does (Hint: It Is Not Reading Minds) 01:33 — Why Wonder Is The Real Skill, Not The Trick 08:03 — How Mentalists Actually "Read People" (Hint: It Is Prep) 13:00 — Why Your Brain Fills In Details That Never Happened 17:58 — How Magic Saved A Kid Who Did Not Fit Anywhere 30:03 — Why The Safety Net Is The Trap 34:03 — The Got Talent Rejections Nobody Knew About 36:53 — The Expectation Pattern That Destroys Your Happiness 40:47 — Live: Reading Jack's Mind With A Deck Of Cards 51:29 — Why He Started Saying No To Big Opportunities 1:06:33 — The Best Hypnotist You Know Is Already In Your Head 1:08:33 — The Words You Say To Yourself Are Rewiring You 1:16:33 — The Final Reveal Trick (Watch What Happens) 1:21:03 — Stay Grateful, Stay Hungry 🔗 GUEST LINKS Savio Joseph Website: https://www.saviojoseph.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/saviojosephtv LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/saviojoseph/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/saviojosephtv Support the show [https://www.buzzsprout.com/2302168/support] ☕ Magic Mind — My daily performance shot: → https://magicmind.com/wagoner20 Use code WAGONER20 for 20% off a package or 48% off a subscription. 🧠 More from Jack: ► Website: https://jackwagoner.co ► Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jack_wagoner_/ ► 1:1 Coaching: jackcwagoner@gmail.com 📺 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Jack_Wagoner ⸻ 🎙️ About Jack: I moved to France alone at 16, started my first business at 17, and launched this podcast because I kept meeting people who had the answers to questions I didn't even know I was asking.  My philosophy: you can set massive goals while being deeply fulfilled right now. That's the duality of gratitude and ambition. Subscribe and turn on notifications so you never miss an episode. Stay grateful, stay hungry.

1 jul 20261 h 17 min
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Hollywood Legend: The Real Reason Men Don't Feel with Barnet Bain | The Grateful Podcast Ep. 138

Send us Fan Mail [https://www.buzzsprout.com/2302168/fan_mail/new] Barnet Bain produced What Dreams May Come with Robin Williams.  He wrote Jesus. He directed the Eckhart Tolle film Milton's Secret.  He co-wrote The Celestine Prophecy. I asked him what was really driving forty years of making the most spiritually charged films in Hollywood. He said: "You busted me." This conversation goes places Barnet has not gone in any other interview. The fable that explains why men quietly give up on their lives. The street performer in the park who showed him the bubble he had been living inside. The question he asked his wife that stopped him cold. The "you busted me" moment where an Oscar-winning producer admits, on the record, what every one of his films was really for. If you have ever felt like you are doing everything right but something inside has gone quiet, this one is for you. ⏰ TIMESTAMPS 0:00 — Intro 0:47 — "I was the world": the awareness Barnet has carried since he was a little boy 6:40 — The shift in his forties that changed how he relates to every human alive 11:57 — "What if this is heaven?" The reframe that rewrites grief, blame, and self-pity 16:00 — How to live artfully (the three raw materials of a life) 20:36 — The street performer in the park who exposed the bubble we are all living in 24:30 — "Have I ever had an original thought?" The question he asked his wife 30:14 — Why men go numb (and why most never come back) 33:55 — Aesop's fox: the sour grapes mechanism that runs men's lives 41:30 — "You busted me": what every film he ever made was really about 47:55 — There are no shortcuts (the rose, the bulb, the thorns) 51:08 — The two masks: how to navigate the moment everything you thought you knew stops working 55:25 — Free friendship guide and the new book 🔗 GUEST LINKS Barnet Bain: Website: https://www.barnetbain.com Book: How to Be a Friend in an Unfriendly World (anywhere books are sold) Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/barnetbain/ LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/barnetbain 🎙️ Listen on Spotify and Apple Podcasts. ☕ Magic Mind, my daily performance shot: https://magicmind.com/wagoner20 Use code WAGONER20 for 20% off a package or 48% off a subscription. 💬 What is the bubble you are living inside? Drop it below. 👇 Support the show: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2302168/support 📺 Listen on your favorite platform: Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-grateful-podcast-with-jack-wagoner/id1725776061 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5EsTEpQAjU4BxUrDoFyZ6b ☕ Magic Mind — My daily performance shot: → https://magicmind.com/wagoner20 Use code WAGONER20 for 20% off a package or 48% off a subscription. 🧠 More from Jack: ► Website: https://jackwagoner.co ► Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jack_wagoner_/ ► 1:1 Coaching: jackcwagoner@gmail.com 📺 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Jack_Wagoner ⸻ 🎙️ About Jack: I moved to France alone at 16, started my first business at 17, and launched this podcast because I kept meeting people who had the answers to questions I didn't even know I was asking.  My philosophy: you can set massive goals while being deeply fulfilled right now. That's the duality of gratitude and ambition. Subscribe and turn on notifications so you never miss an episode. Stay grateful, stay hungry. Support the show [https://www.buzzsprout.com/2302168/support] ☕ Magic Mind — My daily performance shot: → https://magicmind.com/wagoner20 Use code WAGONER20 for 20% off a package or 48% off a subscription. 🧠 More from Jack: ► Website: https://jackwagoner.co ► Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jack_wagoner_/ ► 1:1 Coaching: jackcwagoner@gmail.com 📺 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Jack_Wagoner ⸻ 🎙️ About Jack: I moved to France alone at 16, started my first business at 17, and launched this podcast because I kept meeting people who had the answers to questions I didn't even know I was asking.  My philosophy: you can set massive goals while being deeply fulfilled right now. That's the duality of gratitude and ambition. Subscribe and turn on notifications so you never miss an episode. Stay grateful, stay hungry.

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