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The Stacking Benjamins Show

Podcast door Joe Saul-Sehy and Josh ‘OG’ Bannerman, CFP

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Named Best Personal Finance Podcast by Bankrate.com and Kiplinger — and the only podcast the Plutus Awards retired from competition after winning twice — The Stacking Benjamins Show is personal finance that doesn’t put you to sleep.Hosts Joe Saul-Sehy (former 16-year financial advisor, ex-WXYZ-TV “Money Man”) and Josh “OG” Bannerman, CFP (Certified Financial Planner, Bannerman Wealth) sit around the card table in Joe’s mom’s half-finished basement in Texarkana and talk money with the smartest guests in personal finance, investing, and behavioral economics. As Fast Company wrote, the show “strikes a great balance of fun and functional.”Every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday: expert guests, real headlines, listener questions, and Doug’s trivia. Topics include investing, retirement planning, budgeting, real estate, behavioral finance, taxes, and financial independence — for anyone who wants to be smarter about money without being talked down to.Subscribe to The 201 — the free newsletter that goes deeper than the show — at stackingbenjamins.com/201

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59% of Retirees Left the Workforce Earlier Than Planned -- Are You Ready If It Happens to You? SB1852

Most people plan their retirement like they control the date. The data says they don't. A new Society of Actuaries study found that 59% of retirees stopped working earlier than expected -- and for most of them, the decision wasn't theirs. Health setbacks, job loss, caregiving demands, and plain old job dissatisfaction all showed up before the spreadsheet said it was time. Joe and OG dig into what the numbers actually mean, who's most at risk, and the specific steps that create real flexibility before retirement finds you. OG and Anna follow with a full walkthrough of equity compensation -- RSUs, ESPPs, and stock options -- including the tax surprise that catches most people off guard. What You'll Walk Away With * Why 59% of retirees left the workforce earlier than they planned -- and why only 6% left later * The income gap nobody talks about: how high earners retire early mostly because they wanted to, while lower earners are pushed out by health and job loss * Why Coast FIRE math falls apart the moment your income stream stops before you planned -- and what that means for how aggressively you should be saving right now * The one manager change that can end a 20-year career overnight -- and why keeping your network warm is one of the most underrated retirement prep moves available * The 30-year mortgage paid like a 15-year analogy: why building financial margin now means retirement can happen on your terms, not someone else's * How to prepare for the emotional side of early retirement -- including the identity shift, the relationship changes, and the pent-up demand that makes the first year unexpectedly wild * RSUs versus stock options versus ESPPs: what each one actually means, how they're taxed differently, and why getting a grant without a strategy is the most expensive mistake in equity comp * The 5-10% concentration rule: how much of your net worth should be tied to company stock -- and why your paycheck counts in that math * The RSU tax trap: why your company withholds at 22% but you might actually owe 37% -- and why spending all your RSU money on a pool before April is a terrible idea * Stacker Kiki's accountability letter: the complete list of what she's cutting, what she refuses to cut, and why the gamification of frugality is more powerful than white-knuckling it Why This Matters Now You may not get to choose your retirement date. But you do get to choose how prepared you are for the day it arrives. The people in this study who retired early by choice had one thing in common: they'd built enough margin that the choice was actually theirs. From the Basement Joe and OG dig into a USA Today piece on the surprising frequency of unplanned early retirement -- and what to do about it before the decision gets made for you. OG and Anna deliver episode five of their financial basics series with a full equity compensation walkthrough, including the tax withholding gap that sends people to April with surprise bills. Doug arrives with Mickey Mantle trivia. A community poll on how often Stackers check their portfolios during headlines produces results that are more honest than most people expected. Stacker Kiki writes a detailed letter about her intentional spending cuts, and OG quietly admits he's been burning through hotel shampoo samples all year. Resources Mentioned * Society of Actuaries Retirement Risks Survey -- released May 2026; linked at stackingbenjamins.com * USA Today -- "Most of Us Retire Earlier Than Planned. Here Are the Top Reasons." by Daniel DeVise; linked at stackingbenjamins.com * Stacking Benjamins Basics Guide -- season one and season two workbooks free at stackingbenjamins.com/basicsguide * Stacking Benjamins Scorecard -- stackingbenjamins.com/scorecard * Stacking Benjamins Newsletter (The 201) -- stackingbenjamins.com/201; Kevin Bailey's hot take on this week's piece * Stacking Benjamins YouTube channel -- full OG and Anna equity comp series; youtube.com/stackingbenjamins * Stacking Benjamins BAD Groups -- meetups in Boston, Seattle, Twin Cities, Mankato, Tucson, and more; stackingbenjamins.com/bad * Stacking Benjamins Vault -- stackingbenjamins.com/vault * Stacking Benjamins Community -- stackingbenjamins.com/basement See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy [https://art19.com/privacy] and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info [https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info].

8 jun 2026 - 59 min
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Why High Earners Still Feel Broke (And What to Do About It) SB1851

You're making more money than you ever have. Your net worth on paper looks great. And yet somehow, there's still too much month left at the end of the money. Joe, OG, Paula Pant, and Jesse Cramer dig into why high earners feel financially squeezed -- and why the answer is almost never what you think it is. Spoiler: it's usually not the lattes, it's not too many accounts, and it might not even be a spending problem at all. What You'll Walk Away With * Why lifestyle inflation doesn't feel like inflation -- it feels like deserved progress, and why that's exactly what makes it so hard to catch * The crucial difference between feeling like you didn't save enough and actually not saving enough -- and why OG's take on this is the most useful thing in the episode * Paula's one big fixed cost audit: why making a single large decision beats constantly making small DoorDash decisions * Why tracking your spending is the calorie counting of personal finance -- only useful short-term, but powerful for getting an honest snapshot before you make any changes * The paper wealth trap: why a high net worth and strong portfolio can coexist with genuinely tight monthly cashflow and why people conflate them * Jesse's one-line-item challenge: find one thing on last month's credit card statement you wish you hadn't spent, cut it, and see what happens to your motivation * Why OG's advice to "just decide not to feel squeezed anymore" is less dismissive than it sounds -- and the number of times the actual math completely contradicted a client's feelings * The boats conversation: why a good financial advisor's job isn't to tell you whether to buy the boat but to show you what it costs in terms of your actual goals * Why comparing your savings rate to the FIRE community can make you feel terrible about saving an objectively impressive amount of money * The goal clarity test: if you can't articulate what you're saving toward in specific, time-bound, dollar-denominated terms, the squeezed feeling probably has nothing to do with your budget Why This Matters Now Housing, food, and transportation costs are genuinely higher. That part is real. But for a meaningful chunk of the people who feel financially squeezed, the math and the feeling are pointing in different directions. This episode is about figuring out which one you're actually dealing with -- and what to do differently once you know. From the Basement Joe, OG, Paula Pant, and Jesse Cramer work through the Wall Street Journal's reporting on why so many Americans feel financially squeezed even at high income levels -- and whether the problem is real, psychological, or both. OG is recording from a conference adjacent to Disney World and has opinions about wood delivery, boats, and people who feel bad about saving $87,000 a year. Paula gets the giggles. The trivia competition features a man who mowed Steve Wozniak's lawn and had the license plate to prove it. OG wins with suspicious precision. Ronald Wayne, who sold his 10% of Apple for $800 twelve days after founding the company, has a worse story than anyone on this podcast. Resources Mentioned * Financial Samurai -- referenced for the lifestyle inflation quote; financialsamurai.com * Afford Anything podcast -- Paula Pant; Joe joins most Tuesdays for listener Q&A * Personal Finance for Long-Term Investors -- Jesse Cramer; current series: 14 risks in retirement, Charlie Munger inversion framework; two-part series now complete * Stacking Benjamins Vault -- stackingbenjamins.com/vault * Stacking Benjamins Newsletter (The 201) -- stackingbenjamins.com/201 * OG financial planning calendar -- stackingbenjamins.com/og * Stacking Benjamins Community -- stackingbenjamins.com/basement Go to https://surfshark.com/stackingb [https://surfshark.com/stackingb] or use code STACKINGB at checkout to get 4 extra months of Surfshark VPN! See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy [https://art19.com/privacy] and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info [https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info].

5 jun 2026 - 1 h 4 min
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Retire by 30: Cody Berman on Building Financial Freedom Faster Than You Think (SB1850)

Cody Berman had the $80,000 corporate job straight out of college, the four-hour daily commute, and the career path everyone said he should want. He hated all of it. By 25, he was financially free -- not because he stumbled into crypto or built a unicorn startup, but because he obsessively maximized the gap between what he made and what he spent, tried 30 different side hustles until a few of them worked, and built a life around what he actually valued. His new book is called Retire by 30. This episode is the conversation behind it. What You'll Walk Away With * Why the title Retire by 30 is deliberately misleading -- and what Cody says the book is actually about * The gap: why the spread between income and expenses matters more than your investment returns, especially at the beginning * How Cody's co-host Justin hit financial freedom at 30 without a single side hustle -- just strategic corporate moves, index funds, and a 75-80% savings rate * The house hacking math: why living in a multi-family property created a $3,000+ monthly swing compared to friends paying Boston rent * What happened when Cody tried to sell Lauren on FIRE using a spreadsheet -- and the reframe that actually worked * Why the big three (housing, transportation, food) move the needle infinitely more than cutting lattes and canceling Netflix * The 30-side-hustle graveyard: which ones were the worst, which one was the most ridiculous, and the one breakout that still generates income today * Purple's story: how someone retired on $500,000 and now has $1.1 million without adding another dollar to the pile * The surprising thing financial freedom actually teaches you about yourself -- and why it's never a money problem after you hit the number * What AI is actually good at for personal finance -- and why the more you already know, the better its answers get Why This Matters Now Whether you're 25 or 55, the math Cody lays out is the same: find the gap, protect the gap, invest the difference, and build a life you don't need to escape from. The age you start determines the timeline, not the framework. This episode is the one to send to anyone in their 20s who hasn't started -- and anyone in their 40s who thinks it's too late. From the Basement Cody Berman joins Joe and OG -- who is recording from inside Hollywood Studios at Coach Con -- to walk through the Retire by 30 framework, the 30 side hustles he actually tried, and the case studies from the book that prove it works in wildly different ways. The USA Today AI financial advice headline gives OG a full platform to explain where AI is genuinely useful, where it confidently hallucinates IRS codes, and why it apparently tried to blackmail a corporate email server. Doug arrives with Trader Joe's trivia after discovering the hard way that cider contains alcohol. Stacker Molly gets her HYSA cleared of all charges. Resources Mentioned * Retire by 30 by Cody Berman -- retireby30book.com [https://retireby30book.com]; also available wherever books are sold * Cody Berman -- Financial Independence Show podcast; co-hosted with Justin * A Purple Life blog -- referenced as a case study; apurplelife.net * USA Today -- "Half of Americans get financial advice from AI, but is it any good? [https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2026/05/15/should-ai-be-financial-adviser-study/90063619007/]" by Daniel DeVise * Acquired podcast -- recommended for Trader Joe's, Coca-Cola, and Mars episode deep dives * The College Investor [https://TheCollegeInvestor.com] with Robert Farrington -- referenced for prior AI financial advice accuracy testing * Stacking Benjamins Vault -- stackingbenjamins.com/vault [https://stackingbenjamins.com/vault] * Stacking Benjamins Scorecard -- stackingbenjamins.com/scorecard [https://stackingbenjamins.com/scorecard] * Stacking Benjamins Newsletter (The 201) -- stackingbenjamins.com/201 [https://stackingbenjamins.com/201] * Stacking Benjamins BAD Groups -- stackingbenjamins.com/bad [https://stackingbenjamins.com/bad] * Stacking Benjamins Community -- stackingbenjamins.com/basement [https://stackingbenjamins.com/basement] See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy [https://art19.com/privacy] and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info [https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info].

3 jun 2026 - 1 h 19 min
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How to Add 1% to Your Portfolio Without Taking on More Risk (The Systems) SB1849

Most DIY investors spend their energy optimizing investments. The wealthiest investors optimize systems. According to Vanguard, a great advisor can add roughly 3% to your portfolio -- not by picking better stocks, but by keeping you from wrecking what you already have and by making the boring structural decisions most people skip. Joe and OG walk through the return boosters that actually move the needle, none of which involve a single exotic investment. OG and Anna follow up with the retirement withdrawal sequence that turns a good tax strategy into a great one. What You'll Walk Away With * Why staying invested is the single highest-return move available to most investors -- and the Wall Street Journal archive experiment that proves it better than any chart * How news addiction creates the three portfolio killers: panic selling, market timing, and the constant feeling that today is the day to make a move * Why your investment policy statement is a shock absorber between your emotions and your account -- and why advisors often beat DIY investors not by picking better funds but by being harder to reach on bad days * Asset location: the quiet return booster that moves money into the right tax shelter without changing a single investment * Why tax loss harvesting is widely marketed to the wrong people -- and who actually has a strong use case for it * Social Security timing as a portfolio decision: why "I don't have to decide today" is sometimes the most financially sophisticated answer available * The sequence of return risk trap that turns retirement into a constant anxiety loop -- and the simple margin of safety that makes it irrelevant * The lightning round: concentrated stock, leverage, crypto yield products, options trading, rebalancing, and tax efficiency -- return or trouble? * OG and Anna on the distribution ladder: how to sequence withdrawals from pre-tax, brokerage, and Roth accounts to minimize taxes in retirement * What IRMAA is, why it shows up two years after the decision that caused it, and why Roth conversions need to happen in November -- not March Why This Matters Now If you've been dollar-cost averaging into index funds and calling it a day, this episode is the next conversation. The gap between a well-built system and a random pile of investments isn't measured in which funds you chose -- it's measured in taxes paid, sequence of returns survived, and whether you had a plan when everything felt uncertain. From the Basement Joe and OG dig into the return boosters that have nothing to do with picking better investments -- recorded while OG is already inside Hollywood Studios at 4 AM trying to figure out the Lightning Lane math. OG and Anna deliver episode four of their financial basics series with a full walkthrough of tax-efficient withdrawal sequencing, including the IRMAA trap, Roth conversion timing, and why the tax triangle you built in season one is the whole point. Doug arrives with Studebaker trivia. The community delivers an anonymous car buying post that may be the most actionable 200 words the basement has produced all year. And the Stacking Benjamins Inner Circle scam gets called out by name. Resources Mentioned * Stacking Benjamins Scorecard -- stackingbenjamins.com/scorecard [https://stackingbenjamins.com/scorecard]; free tool to evaluate your current financial position * Stacking Benjamins Basics Guide -- season one and season two workbooks free at stackingbenjamins.com/basicsguide [https://stackingbenjamins.com/basicsguide] * Stock Market Maestros episode -- linked at stackingbenjamins.com; on the habits of the world's best investors * Stacking Benjamins YouTube channel -- youtube.com/stackingbenjamins [https://youtube.com/stackingbenjamins]; full OG and Anna basics series * Stacking Benjamins Vault -- stackingbenjamins.com/vault [https://stackingbenjamins.com/vault] * Stacking Benjamins Newsletter (The 201) -- stackingbenjamins.com/201 [https://stackingbenjamins.com/201] * Stacking Benjamins Community (The Basement) -- stackingbenjamins.com/basement [https://stackingbenjamins.com/basement] * Stacking Benjamins Meetups (BAD Groups) -- stackingbenjamins.com/BAD [https://stackingbenjamins.com/BAD] See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy [https://art19.com/privacy] and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info [https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info].

1 jun 2026 - 57 min
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Stop Treating Every Financial Decision Like It's Mount Everest SB1848

Most of the financial decisions keeping you up at night are two-way doors. You can change them. You can undo them. The real one-way doors -- the decisions that actually lock you in -- are rarer than you think, and the problem is we're spending the same emotional energy on both. Joe, OG, Paula Pant, and Jesse Cramer take Simone Stolzoff's uncertainty framework from Wednesday and run it straight through real financial life: career changes, portfolio risk, entrepreneurial pivots, and the moment you finally flip the kill switch on something that isn't working. What You'll Walk Away With * The one-way door versus two-way door framework applied to real decisions -- and why automating your savings contributions is the most underrated version of this idea * Jesse's anchor: why life insurance changed everything about how he sleeps at night now that there are passengers in the car with him * Paula's anchor: why avoiding debt entirely is the entrepreneurial version of keeping your burn rate survivable when revenue gets unpredictable * OG's anchor: long-term belief in human ingenuity as a financial strategy -- and why short-term geopolitical noise is actually an opportunity for investors who aren't panicking * Why selling assets in a taxable brokerage account to cover business payroll is a two-way door -- until enough time passes and it quietly becomes a one-way door * The kill criteria conversation: how Jesse built an 18-to-24-month runway into his career change before he ever made the leap * Why the Everest turnaround time is the most important financial planning concept most people have never applied to their own goals * OG's client story: when the right risk tolerance isn't the mathematically correct one -- it's the one that lets you sleep at night without calling your advisor * Paula on the pivot strategy: keep iterating the broad direction until you find the product-market fit, because the version that works might look nothing like what you started with * Why a career shift becomes more of a one-way door the longer you wait -- and what Rocky Mark's electrical engineer to content creator question reveals about timing Why This Matters Now The worst financial decisions happen when people treat reversible choices as permanent ones and freeze -- or treat permanent choices as reversible and act too fast. This episode gives you a framework for telling the difference before the emotion hits, which is the only time it actually helps. From the Basement Joe, OG, Paula Pant, and Jesse Cramer take Simone Stolzoff's Wednesday framework and apply it to the messy real world of careers, portfolios, entrepreneurship, and retirement identity. The trivia competition takes a dramatic turn when OG margin calls Jesse on a Mount Everest question -- and the full margin call rule set gets read aloud for the first time in recorded history after Dottie in Wichita makes a call nobody wanted to receive. Jesse wins the point. OG loses one. The coalition closes the gap. Resources Mentioned * Afford Anything podcast -- Paula Pant; Joe joins most Tuesdays for listener Q&A; youtube.com/affordanything * Personal Finance for Long-Term Investors -- Jesse Cramer's podcast; current series: 14 biggest risks in retirement, Charlie Munger-inspired inversion framework * Stacking Benjamins Wednesday episode -- "Why Uncertainty Is an Opportunity" with Simone Stolzoff; stackingbenjamins.com * Stacking Benjamins Vault -- stackingbenjamins.com/vault * Stacking Benjamins Newsletter (The 201) -- stackingbenjamins.com/201 * OG financial planning calendar -- stackingbenjamins.com/og * Stacking Benjamins Community -- stackingbenjamins.com/basement See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy [https://art19.com/privacy] and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info [https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info].

29 mei 2026 - 57 min
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