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The Stacking Benjamins Show

Podcast door Joe Saul-Sehy and Josh ‘OG’ Bannerman, CFP

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Named Best Personal Finance Podcast by Bankrate.com and Kiplinger — and the only podcast the Plutus Awards retired from competition after winning twice — The Stacking Benjamins Show is personal finance that doesn’t put you to sleep.Hosts Joe Saul-Sehy (former 16-year financial advisor, ex-WXYZ-TV “Money Man”) and Josh “OG” Bannerman, CFP (Certified Financial Planner, Bannerman Wealth) sit around the card table in Joe’s mom’s half-finished basement in Texarkana and talk money with the smartest guests in personal finance, investing, and behavioral economics. As Fast Company wrote, the show “strikes a great balance of fun and functional.”Every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday: expert guests, real headlines, listener questions, and Doug’s trivia. Topics include investing, retirement planning, budgeting, real estate, behavioral finance, taxes, and financial independence — for anyone who wants to be smarter about money without being talked down to.Subscribe to The 201 — the free newsletter that goes deeper than the show — at stackingbenjamins.com/201

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A Former OpenAI Researcher Says 70% Chance of Human Extinction -- Here's What to Do With That SB1872

A former OpenAI researcher went on Diary of a CEO and said there's a 70% chance AI ends badly for humanity, told his wife they shouldn't have more children because they'd never enter the workforce, and gave up $2 million by refusing to sign a non-disparagement clause to say it publicly. Joe asks Paula Pant, OG, and Jesse Cramer to react -- not as AI experts, but as people who've watched the internet, robots, computers, and cars all supposedly end the economy, and as people who actually know what to do with your money when the world feels uncertain. What You'll Walk Away With * Paula's case for being a negative 10 on the worry scale: why 60% of jobs that exist today didn't exist in 1940, and why AI is more likely to create new categories of work than eliminate work entirely * Jesse's case for a four: why knowledge is being commoditized the same way gasoline was -- and what that means if your competitive advantage has always been what you know * OG's framework for separating the parts of your job AI will gladly take from the parts it never will -- and why that distinction is more useful than panicking about either half * The Jevons Paradox: why making something cheaper almost always creates more demand for it, not less -- and why that applies to patents, legal filings, and every other knowledge-work category people think AI will eliminate * Safe, evolving, or replaced: the roundtable verdict on CPAs, software engineers, and customer service reps -- and the Capital One research that reveals why some people actually prefer talking to a machine * Why learning the AI tools right now -- even if you're 58 and four years from retirement -- is the modern equivalent of learning email in 1993 * JL Collins' line that applies to careers just as much as portfolios: flexibility is the only true security * Should you buy an AI sector fund? OG, Paula, and Jesse each answer -- and the answer that surprised everyone is probably not the one you'd expect * Why OG's Triple Bypass bike race analogy is the best career advice in the episode: if you're always ready, you never have to get ready * The window tax trivia that AI got spectacularly wrong -- proving, on an episode about AI taking all our jobs, that it can't even count windows yet Why This Matters Now The fear is real. The timeline is uncertain. And the people most likely to be okay are the ones who are building flexibility into their finances and their careers right now -- not because AI is definitely coming, but because it's always smart to be ready for the thing that might come. From the Basement Paula Pant, OG, and Jesse Cramer react to a former OpenAI researcher's apocalyptic Diary of a CEO interview -- and spend most of the episode arguing about whether to panic, which jobs survive, whether to buy the AI sector fund, and what OG's fighting robot would do to Jesse's house. Doug arrives with window tax trivia that AI generated incorrectly -- which Joe caught just before air -- and handing one of our contributors a huge win. Financial Action Month is coming next week: five episodes, a bingo sheet, and more to come. Resources Mentioned * Diary of a CEO -- Steven Bartlett interview with Daniel Kokotajlo, former OpenAI researcher * Tony Robbins interview with Ray Kurzweil -- referenced for additional AI perspective; linked at stackingbenjamins.com * Afford Anything episode 693 -- Paula Pant interview with Dr. Ben Zweig on AI and the workforce; affordanything.com/episode693 * Personal Finance for Long-Term Investors (PFLTI) -- Jesse Cramer; upcoming AMA episode 19 and episode 150 personal AMA * Anthropic Skill Jar -- free AI training; referenced by Paula for learning Claude features * Delivering Happiness by Tony Hsieh -- referenced for the Zappos customer service model * OG financial planning calendar -- stackingbenjamins.com/og [https://stackingbenjamins.com/og] * Stacking Benjamins Newsletter (The 201) -- stackingbenjamins.com/201 [https://stackingbenjamins.com/201] * Stacking Benjamins Community -- stackingbenjamins.com/basement [https://stackingbenjamins.com/basement] See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy [https://art19.com/privacy] and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info [https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info].

24 jul 2026 - 1 h 10 min
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Ryan Hawk on How Ordinary People Become Exceptional (And the Actions That Actually Compound) SB1871

Ryan Hawk arrived at Miami University the day after high school graduation, with a plan to earn the starting quarterback job and make it to the NFL. Two years later, a 6'5" kid from somewhere in Ohio showed up and took the job away from him. That kid turned out to be Ben Roethlisberger. What Ryan did with that moment became the entire foundation of The Learning Leader podcast, one of the most respected leadership shows in the country, and his new book The Price of Becoming. He joins Joe and OG to talk about the habits, frameworks, and daily actions that compound into something exceptional -- and what to do when the plan doesn't survive contact with reality. What You'll Walk Away With * Coach Hepp's three-sentence leadership philosophy that Ryan has never forgotten: have a plan, work the plan, and plan for the unexpected * Why being told "he gives us a better chance to win than you do" was the most valuable coaching Ryan ever received -- and what it teaches about adding value versus wanting credit * The imitate-then-innovate framework: why The Beatles were a cover band first, why Wayne Gretzky took handwritten notes watching players smaller than himself, and why copying the greats isn't theft -- it's the fastest path to finding your own voice * Ryan's first draft pick for becoming exceptional: a five-to-ten minute nightly prompt exercise built around one Charlie Munger question that compounds like a great investment * Why truth tellers -- people willing to look you in the eye and tell you what you need to hear rather than what you want to hear -- are the most underrated asset in any high performer's life * The superpower Ryan has found in every great leader he's interviewed across 11 years and hundreds of conversations: deep, specific curiosity -- and why it's the ultimate form of showing love * Sweat more than you watch other people sweat: Scott Galloway's physical discipline framework applied to every area of life * The Brock Purdy late-round pick: why bringing a notebook to every meeting -- something almost no intern or young employee does -- is the single easiest way to stand out and learn faster * The boomerang kids debate: why nearly half of Americans under 30 now live with a parent, when OG thinks it's a great idea, when he thinks you suck, and why it only works if there's a real plan with a real end date * James from the community: how retiring at 52 let him become his daughter's bank in a hot real estate market -- loan document, market rate, free labor but zero say in the house Why This Matters Now The gap between people who become exceptional and people who almost do isn't talent -- it's the daily actions they're willing to stack. This episode is the practical blueprint for what those actions actually look like. From the Basement Ryan Hawk joins Joe and OG to talk about getting benched, the imitate-then-innovate path from cover band to original voice, and the five draft picks that build a great life -- including one that Joe immediately connects to hiding money from himself. The Wall Street Journal's piece on boomerang kids gives OG a platform to explain exactly when it's smart, when it's lazy, and why his kids should not take this as an invitation. Doug arrives with Cleveland trivia and the story of how a newspaper's cheap typesetting permanently changed the name of a major American city. James from the community sends a letter that makes OG quietly admit he was wrong about the appraisal. Resources Mentioned * The Price of Becoming: The Compounding Practices of High Performance by Ryan Hawk -- available wherever books are sold * The Learning Leader podcast -- Ryan Hawk; available wherever you listen to podcasts; learningleader.com [https://learningleader.com] * Steal Like an Artist by Austin Kleon -- referenced for the imitate-then-innovate framework * Set for Life by Scott Trench -- referenced for Joe's kids; biggerpockets.com [https://biggerpockets.com] * Broke Millennial by Erin Lowry -- referenced for Joe's kids; brokemillennial.com [https://brokemillennial.com] * Wall Street Journal -- "Living With Your Parents Is No Longer Viewed as a Failure to Launch" by Rebecca Picciotto and Nicholas G. Miller * Stacking Benjamins Field Kit -- stackingbenjamins.com/fieldkit [https://stackingbenjamins.com/fieldkit] * Stacking Benjamins Newsletter (The 201) -- stackingbenjamins.com/201 [https://stackingbenjamins.com/201] * Stacking Benjamins Community -- stackingbenjamins.com/basement [https://stackingbenjamins.com/basement] See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy [https://art19.com/privacy] and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info [https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info].

22 jul 2026 - 1 h 11 min
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How to Get More Free Money From Your 401k (The Moves Most People Never Make) SB1870

An alarming number of people have access to a 401(k) and are either not using it, not getting the full employer match, or not making the simple moves that turn a good account into a great one. Joe and OG dedicate a full episode to the retirement account that most people take for granted -- covering contributions, matching, investment selection, Roth versus traditional, and the specific decisions that separate people who retire comfortably from people who almost got there. Plus wins from the Stacker community and trivia that will make you the most dangerous person at your next dinner party. What You'll Walk Away With * Why the employer match is the single highest guaranteed return available to any investor -- and the specific contribution level that captures every dollar of it * Roth 401(k) versus traditional 401(k): the one question that cuts through all the noise and tells you which one to use right now * Why your investment menu feels overwhelming and how to make a great choice in under five minutes using one simple filter * The auto-escalation feature most people never turn on -- and why setting it up once can add tens of thousands of dollars to your balance without you doing anything else * What to do with your 401(k) when you leave a job: the four options, which one is almost always wrong, and which one most people choose anyway * Why contribution limits are higher than most people think -- and the catch-up contribution that becomes available at 50 that most people in their 40s don't know to plan for * The vesting schedule trap: why your employer match might not actually be yours yet -- and what that means for anyone thinking about leaving their job * Why 403(b) and 457 plans follow most of the same rules -- and the one unique advantage the 457 has that almost nobody knows about * OG on the single most common 401(k) mistake he sees in client portfolios -- and how long it typically takes to fix * Stacker wins from the community: the specific moves people made this month that are already paying off Why This Matters Now Every year you don't optimize your 401(k) is a year of compounding you don't get back. The moves in this episode are not complicated -- but most people either don't know about them or keep putting them off. This is the episode to send to anyone who has a 401(k) and has never really looked at it. From the Basement Joe and OG celebrate the 401(k) in mom's basement while OG recovers from completing the Triple Bypass -- a Colorado cycling event that covers three mountain passes and approximately all of the elevation gain in the western hemisphere. OG's wife asked if he'd do it again. He answered with a childbirth analogy. Doug arrives with trivia that will be re-shared all week. The community delivers wins that prove the system works. Resources Mentioned * Stacking Benjamins Basics Guide -- stackingbenjamins.com/basicsguide [https://stackingbenjamins.com/basicsguide] * Stacking Benjamins Field Kit -- stackingbenjamins.com/fieldkit [https://stackingbenjamins.com/fieldkit] * Stacking Benjamins BAD Groups -- stackingbenjamins.com/bad [https://stackingbenjamins.com/bad] * Stacking Benjamins Newsletter (The 201) -- stackingbenjamins.com/201 [https://stackingbenjamins.com/201] * OG financial planning calendar -- stackingbenjamins.com/og [https://stackingbenjamins.com/og] * Stacking Benjamins Community -- stackingbenjamins.com/basement [https://stackingbenjamins.com/basement] See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy [https://art19.com/privacy] and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info [https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info].

20 jul 2026 - 1 h 14 min
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Who Should You Trust With Your Money? (Friends, Family, Experts, AI, and Bad Advice) SB1869

A Wall Street Journal story about a 17-year-old helping his family with financial decisions kicks off a much bigger Stacking Benjamins question: who should you actually trust with your money? Joe, Doug, Paula Pant, Jesse Cramer, and special guest Roger Whitney dig into where great advice comes from, why bad advice often comes from people who love you, and how to build a better filter before you act. Along the way, they talk books, podcasts, family advice, AI, confirmation bias, homebuying myths, index funds, retirement plans, and why "smart" isn't enough. What You'll Walk Away With Why Roger says "advice" has a high bar: real advice should apply to your specific life, not just sound smart in public The difference between information and advice -- and why confusing the two can lead you into trouble Why books often beat random internet advice: they usually have more vetting, structure, and accountability How well-meaning friends and family can still give terrible money advice when they speak confidently about things they don't really understand Paula's advice pyramid: avoid people who profit from outrage, be skeptical of people with no accountability, and seek sources with both expertise and vetting Why AI can be useful as a sparring partner, but not as a substitute for your own thinking or fact-checking The danger of "always" and "never" advice: always buy a house, always max your 401(k), never finance a car, always buy index funds Why renting isn't automatically throwing money away -- and how the price-to-rent ratio can help you think more clearly Why maxing out your workplace retirement plan may not always be the right move, especially when tax flexibility, business investment, or other goals matter more How confirmation bias, present bias, and absolute certainty can fool you into believing your plan is stronger than it is What to look for in your personal board of directors: people you respect, people with a high signal-to-noise ratio, and people who are kind enough to tell you the truth Why Roger says a kind person is better than a merely nice one when you need real feedback Why This Matters Now Financial advice is everywhere: podcasts, books, TikTok, AI, coworkers, relatives, advisors, and confident strangers with strong opinions. The hard part isn't finding advice. It's knowing which advice deserves your attention. This episode gives Stackers a filter for separating useful guidance from noise before the wrong voice gets too close to their money. From the Basement Joe uses a Wall Street Journal piece about a teenage family financial advisor to launch a bigger card-table debate with Paula Pant, Jesse Cramer, and Roger Whitney. The crew builds a money-advice pyramid, debates which financial rules should be ignored, and explores when to trust yourself versus when to bring in your board of directors. Doug celebrates Art Linkletter with Game of Life trivia, Paula admits she's never played it, and OG's trivia lead might get a little more uncomfortable. Resources Mentioned The Wall Street Journal piece by Oyin Adedoyin about a 17-year-old helping his family with financial decisions Roger Whitney -- The Retirement Answer Man podcast Paula Pant -- Afford Anything podcast Jesse Cramer -- Personal Finance for Long-Term Investors podcast Seth Godin -- Linchpin Thomas Stanley and William Danko -- The Millionaire Next Door Robert Kiyosaki -- Rich Dad Poor Dad Robert Cialdini -- Influence Richard Feynman -- Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman! Beth Kobliner -- referenced as an upcoming Afford Anything guest Stacking Benjamins Newsletter, The 201 -- stackingbenjamins.com/201 Stacking Benjamins YouTube channel -- youtube.com/stackingbenjamins See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy [https://art19.com/privacy] and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info [https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info].

17 jul 2026 - 1 h 11 min
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What History Tells Us About Crypto, Real Estate, and Every Other Financial "Truth" (with Dr. Joseph Moore) SB1868

In the 1800s, the smartest financial advice your grandparents could receive was: don't save money, because it will probably go to zero. Stocks were considered scams. Real estate was the only real path to wealth. Crypto isn't the future, it's a replay of something that happened dozens of times before the Civil War. Dr. Joseph Moore is a historian, a New York Times bestselling author, and someone who has spent his career proving that what always worked was always changing. His book is How to Get Rich in American History, and this conversation will make you rethink at least three things you currently believe about money. What You'll Walk Away With * Why grandparents in the 1800s told their grandchildren never to save money -- and why that advice was completely rational at the time * The crypto-as-past argument: why self-issued currencies have existed since before the Civil War, why they all eventually went to zero, and what the one thing is that actually made the US dollar trustworthy * Why stocks beating bonds in the long run is only true since World War II -- and what that means for treating any historical financial truth as permanent * The go-ahead philosophy: why Americans used to define success as actively moving forward rather than passively not falling behind -- and why that shift in language reveals something important * Why financial gurus get a worse reputation than they deserve -- and the German economist's study that showed Dave Ramsey alone has saved the US economy the GDP of a mid-sized nation state * The FIRE movement isn't new: the original four-hour workday, a man with Ten Acres Enough in 1850s New Jersey, and what the Nearings' Vermont maple farm story actually teaches about the selling of early retirement * Fast time versus slow time: why the financial media is paid to tell you it's always fast time, why it's almost never fast time, and how to know the difference when it actually matters * Why the 4% rule and the safe withdrawal rate are research findings worth knowing -- and exactly why building a 30-year financial plan around a fixed number is still a mistake * Five first-half 2026 lessons from the Stacking Benjamins mentor vault: creativity, adversity, mistakes, the go-ahead mindset, and compounding * The compounding belief problem: why OG's framework for trusting the math you've already lived is the most underrated motivational tool in personal finance * Why This Matters Now Every financial truth that feels permanent right now -- index funds always win, real estate always appreciates, crypto is either the future or a scam -- is newer than you think and more conditional than it sounds. The investors who build real flexibility into their plans are the ones who survive when the conditions change. And the conditions always change. From the Basement Dr. Joseph Moore joins Joe and OG to pick fights with crypto, passive income, real estate mythology, Napoleon Hill, and the entire academic finance establishment -- while making the case that financial gurus, properly understood, have done more measurable good for American wealth than all the finance professors combined. OG is in Colorado acclimating for a bicycle climb that has Doug genuinely concerned about whether a financial co-host counts as a dependent. Doug arrives with trivia tied to today's birthday that connects Nintendo's origins to something nobody expected. Five mentor highlights from the first half of 2026 close the episode -- including clips from George Newman on creativity, Jim Murphy on adversity, Bola Sokunbi on surviving a very expensive rollover mistake, Beth Kobliner on why young people are gambling instead of saving, and Cody Berman on the compounding moment that changes everything. Resources Mentioned * How to Get Rich in American History by Dr. Joseph Moore -- New York Times bestseller; available at bookstores and on Amazon; josephmoore.com * Inner Excellence by Jim Murphy -- referenced for mental strength and adversity; available wherever books are sold * Clever Girl Finance -- Bola Sokunbi; clevergirlfinance.com * Afford Anything podcast -- Paula Pant; referenced in first-half mentor recap * Retire by 30 by Cody Berman -- retireby30book.com * Get a Financial Life by Beth Kobliner -- referenced in first-half mentor recap * Stacking Benjamins Field Kit -- stackingbenjamins.com/fieldkit [https://stackingbenjamins.com/fieldkit] * Stacking Benjamins Newsletter (The 201) -- stackingbenjamins.com/201 [https://stackingbenjamins.com/201]; write Joe at joe@stackingbenjamins.com [joe@stackingbenjamins.com] with your favorite first-half lesson * Stacking Benjamins Community -- stackingbenjamins.com/basement [https://stackingbenjamins.com/basement] See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy [https://art19.com/privacy] and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info [https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info].

15 jul 2026 - 1 h 20 min
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