AB: Make Them Move

Anna van Schaap: Hope and Tragedy // Part 2

In the conclusion of the season 7 finale, Anna van Schaap (fine artist, tattoo artist, curator) sits down with Aaron McCall to talk about building a creative life that refuses to be small. She gets into finding her voice and claiming her space out of passion and defiance, and carving out something different for women and queer folks in an industry with a history of the opposite. They talk about art history, women in art created by women in art, and the cost of going all in on something you were told wasn't for you. It's about volition, visibility, and holding hope and tragedy at the same time. Keep up with Anna van Schaap: annavanschaap.com [https://www.annavanschaap.com/] IG: @theother_twistedsister [https://www.instagram.com/theother_twistedsister] IG: @theother_twistedsister_tattoos [https://www.instagram.com/theother_twistedsister_tattoos/] IG: @theother_twistedsister_photos [https://www.instagram.com/theother_twistedsister_photos/] —— This episode is supported by: Creative Mornings Grand Rapids [https://creativemornings.com/cities/gr] Merchants & Makers [https://www.merchantsandmakers.com/] Revue [https://revuewm.com/] —— Writer/Producer/Editor/Host: Aaron McCall aaronmccall.net [https://www.aaronmccall.net/] IG: @aaron_mccall [https://www.instagram.com/aaron_mccall/] —— Co-Host/Sidekick/Photographer: Joe Matteson themattesons.co [https://www.themattesons.co/] IG: @joe_dustin [https://www.instagram.com/joedustin/] —— Music: "Noises" by Mike Mains & The Branches [https://mikemainsmusic.com/] —— Support the Podcast: Buy Merch [https://badideasocialclub.com/merch] —— Follow Bad Idea Social Club: badideasocialclub.com [https://badideasocialclub.com/] IG: @badideasocialclub [https://www.instagram.com/badideasocialclub/]

Anna van Schaap: Hope and Tragedy // Part 1

To kick-off the two-part season 7 finale, Anna van Schaap (fine artist, tattoo artist,  curator) sits down with Aaron McCall to talk about building a creative life that refuses to be small. She gets into finding her voice and claiming her space out of passion and defiance, and carving out something different for women and queer folks in an industry with a history of the opposite. They talk about art history, women in art created by women in art, and the cost of going all in on something you were told wasn't for you. It's about volition, visibility, and holding hope and tragedy at the same time. Keep up with Anna van Schaap: annavanschaap.com [https://www.annavanschaap.com/] IG: @theother_twistedsister [https://www.instagram.com/theother_twistedsister] IG: @theother_twistedsister_tattoos [https://www.instagram.com/theother_twistedsister_tattoos/] IG: @theother_twistedsister_photos [https://www.instagram.com/theother_twistedsister_photos/] —— This episode is supported by: Creative Mornings Grand Rapids [https://creativemornings.com/cities/gr] Merchants & Makers [https://www.merchantsandmakers.com/] Revue [https://revuewm.com/] —— Writer/Producer/Editor/Host: Aaron McCall aaronmccall.net [https://www.aaronmccall.net/] IG: @aaron_mccall [https://www.instagram.com/aaron_mccall/] —— Co-Host/Sidekick/Photographer: Joe Matteson themattesons.co [https://www.themattesons.co/] IG: @joe_dustin [https://www.instagram.com/joedustin/] —— Music: "Noises" by Mike Mains & The Branches [https://mikemainsmusic.com/] —— Support the Podcast: Buy Merch [https://badideasocialclub.com/merch] —— Follow Bad Idea Social Club: badideasocialclub.com [https://badideasocialclub.com/] IG: @badideasocialclub [https://www.instagram.com/badideasocialclub/]

Sara Pulver: Chaos and Whimsy

Sara Pulver (illustrator, muralist, Dear Ollie) sits down with Aaron McCall to talk about knowing who you are and building something around it. She gets into a lifelong love of tactile, handmade things that eventually turned into markets, a grant, and a stationery shop where she hosts her own work alongside over a hundred vendors with a focus on women and queer creators. They talk about tackling murals, life as a neurodivergent artist, and why the AI crunch might be the best argument yet for going analog. About finding your people, protecting your whimsy, and keeping the whole thing moving. Keep up with Sara Pulver: sarapulver.com [https://sarapulver.com/] IG: @sarapulver [https://www.instagram.com/sarapulver/] dearollie.com [https://www.dearollie.com/] IG: @dearollieandco [https://www.instagram.com/dearollieandco/] —— This episode is supported by: Creative Mornings Grand Rapids [https://creativemornings.com/cities/gr] Merchants & Makers [https://www.merchantsandmakers.com/] Revue [https://revuewm.com/] —— Writer/Producer/Editor/Host: Aaron McCall aaronmccall.net [https://www.aaronmccall.net/] IG: @aaron_mccall [https://www.instagram.com/aaron_mccall/] —— Co-Host/Sidekick/Photographer: Joe Matteson themattesons.co [https://www.themattesons.co/] IG: @joe_dustin [https://www.instagram.com/joedustin/] —— Music: "Noises" by Mike Mains & The Branches [https://mikemainsmusic.com/] —— Support the Podcast: Buy Merch [https://badideasocialclub.com/merch] —— Follow Bad Idea Social Club: badideasocialclub.com [https://badideasocialclub.com/] IG: @badideasocialclub [https://www.instagram.com/badideasocialclub/]

Luke Grill: Every Damn Detail

Luke Grill (chef, restaurateur, sommelier, 1983 Restaurants) sits down with Aaron McCall to talk about what it means to build something people can feel. He gets into cutting his teeth in some of the most demanding kitchens in the country, how dangerous it is to follow the crowd, and why holding his convictions is non-negotiable. They talk about the tension between art and business, building spaces that satisfy more than just hunger, and why the details nobody notices are exactly the ones that matter most. Keep up with Luke Grill: 1983restaurants.com [https://1983restaurants.com/] IG: 1983restaurants [https://www.instagram.com/1983restaurants] IG: @obstacleno1 [https://www.instagram.com/obstacleno1/] IG: @seventysixholland [https://www.instagram.com/seventysixholland/] IG: @publiczeeland [https://www.instagram.com/publiczeeland/] IG: @lovejoyholland [https://www.instagram.com/lovejoyholland/] —— This episode is supported by: Creative Mornings Grand Rapids [https://creativemornings.com/cities/gr] Merchants & Makers [https://www.merchantsandmakers.com/] Revue [https://revuewm.com/] —— Writer/Producer/Editor/Host: Aaron McCall aaronmccall.net [https://www.aaronmccall.net/] IG: @aaron_mccall [https://www.instagram.com/aaron_mccall/] —— Co-Host/Sidekick/Photographer: Joe Matteson themattesons.co [https://www.themattesons.co/] IG: @joe_dustin [https://www.instagram.com/joedustin/] —— Music: "Noises" by Mike Mains & The Branches [https://mikemainsmusic.com/] —— Support the Podcast: Buy Merch [https://badideasocialclub.com/merch] —— Follow Bad Idea Social Club: badideasocialclub.com [https://badideasocialclub.com/] IG: @badideasocialclub [https://www.instagram.com/badideasocialclub/]

Mark Stein: If It Kills Me

Mark Stein (artist, illustrator) joins Aaron McCall to talk about what it takes to go all in on your work and the cost of pushing too hard. He gets into growing up on cartoons, punk and skate culture, the wake-up calls that changed everything, and why being a lone wolf will only get you so far. They talk about finding creative community, imposter syndrome, getting out from behind your desk, and why if it’s not hard, you’re probably not trying hard enough. This is a conversation about the slow build, the kind that takes until your late 30s to really catch fire, and the kind of stubbornness it takes to keep it burning. Keep up with Mark Stein: steinbydesign.com⁠ [https://rhino-bellflower-r8yt.squarespace.com/content/steinbydesign.com] IG: ⁠@steinbydesign [https://www.instagram.com/steinbydesign/] —— This episode is supported by: Creative Mornings Grand Rapids [https://creativemornings.com/cities/gr] Merchants & Makers [https://www.merchantsandmakers.com/] Revue [https://revuewm.com/] —— Writer/Producer/Editor/Host: Aaron McCall aaronmccall.net [https://www.aaronmccall.net/] IG: @aaron_mccall [https://www.instagram.com/aaron_mccall/] —— Co-Host/Sidekick/Photographer: Joe Matteson themattesons.co [https://www.themattesons.co/] IG: @joe_dustin [https://www.instagram.com/joedustin/] —— Music: "Noises" by Mike Mains & The Branches [https://mikemainsmusic.com/] —— Support the Podcast: Buy Merch [https://badideasocialclub.com/merch] —— Follow Bad Idea Social Club: badideasocialclub.com [https://badideasocialclub.com/] IG: @badideasocialclub [https://www.instagram.com/badideasocialclub/]