06. The Empire Strikes Back

08. Back to the Future

The Turtles are bigger than ever, but no longer belong to the guys who started it all. The brand has mutated again, in ways Kevin and Peter never could’ve imagined. But after years of distance, something unexpected happens: a phone call, an idea, and maybe… a chance to reconnect with what they built… and each other. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices [https://megaphone.fm/adchoices]

07. A New Sheriff In Town

Kevin moved to L.A., launched a publishing empire, and tried to change the comics industry. Peter stayed in Massachusetts, kept the brand on track, and quietly built a nonprofit. One went big. One played it safe. While the Turtles were turning into video games, musicals, and action figures with pizza-shooting vehicles… their creators were turning into total strangers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices [https://megaphone.fm/adchoices]

06. The Empire Strikes Back

The first movie crushed it. So naturally, the sequel had… less fighting, no weapons, and a dance battle with Vanilla Ice. Welcome to the 1990s, where the Turtles go from gritty rebels to full-blown pop stars. As the franchise gets safer, sillier, and way more marketable, Kevin and Peter find themselves on opposite sides of what their creation is becoming and wondering if the monster they built is still theirs. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices [https://megaphone.fm/adchoices]

05. First Movie. Last Straw.

Before it became a box office smash, the first Ninja Turtles movie was a giant red flag. Studios passed. Toy execs panicked. No one knew if guys in rubber suits could carry a film or if anyone would show up to watch. But Kevin and Peter pushed forward, determined to make something darker, weirder, and truer to the original comic. This is the story of how a movie everyone expected to fail… didn’t. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices [https://megaphone.fm/adchoices]

04. A TV Show To Promote a Toy Line

One minute the Turtles were gritty, underground comic book vigilantes. The next, they were shouting Cowabunga and riding filing cabinets like surfboards. As a toy company races to turn them into kid-friendly icons, Kevin and Peter watch their creation mutate into something they barely recognize. The show is loud, colorful, wildly successful - and for the guys who started it all, kind of a gut punch.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices [https://megaphone.fm/adchoices]