Industry Relations

Industry Relations

Podcast by Rob Hahn and Greg Robertson

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About Industry Relations

This is Industry Relations, a podcast that is at the intersection of real estate and technology from an insider’s perspective. Hosted weekly by Rob Hahn (The Notorious ROB) and Greg Robertson.

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245 episodes
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Compass Everyware

The Industry Relations Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player! Rob and Greg dive into the major industry shake-up: Compass acquiring Anywhere. They discuss the financial implications, consolidation trends, the future of MLS rules, and what the move means for private listings, brokerages, and consumers. The conversation also covers how competitors like Zillow, Keller Williams, and eXp might respond. Key Takeaways * Compass acquires Anywhere in an all-stock deal valued at $1.6B, assuming $2.6B in debt. * Combined, Compass and Anywhere account for roughly one-third of U.S. real estate transaction volume and one in six agents. * Discussion on antitrust concerns and whether regulators will intervene. * Compass’s acquisition could accelerate industry consolidation, making scale critical for brokerages. * Anywhere’s conservative approach historically shaped industry standards; the acquisition may shift how private listings are treated. * Debate over whether consumers really want private/exclusive listings and how MLS enforcement may change. * Predictions that other brokerages will roll out private listing programs to compete. * Speculation on how Zillow and large MLSs will respond to these shifts. Connect with Rob and Greg Rob’s Website [https://notoriousrob.substack.com/]  Greg’s Website [https://www.vendoralley.com/about-2/]    Watch us on YouTube [https://youtu.be/kI7B02KdN_w?si=iZ_EfLz2f0zkQ4uF]   Our Sponsors: Cotality [https://www.cotality.com/]  Notorious VIP [https://notoriousrob.substack.com/] The Giant Steps Job Board [https://vendoralley.jobboard.io/]    Production and Editing Services by Sunbound Studios [https://www.sunboundstudios.com/]

24. sep. 2025 - 1 h 3 min
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The Mirror

The Industry Relations Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player! In this episode, Rob and Greg discuss the recent assassination of Charlie Kirk and its impact on the nation and the real estate industry. They reflect on the cultural divide, responses from industry leaders, and the broader implications for civil discourse within real estate and beyond. Key Takeaways * Rob and Greg acknowledge the tragedy and its personal and national impact. * The event highlights concerns about the erosion of civil debate and the celebration of violence. * Industry responses are contrasted with prior public statements (e.g., George Floyd), raising questions of consistency and communication. * Discussion on free speech, leadership accountability, and the role of professional organizations in addressing hate. * Broader reflections on polarization in America and hopes for reducing harmful rhetoric across divides. Connect with Rob and Greg Rob’s Website [https://notoriousrob.substack.com/]  Greg’s Website [https://www.vendoralley.com/about-2/]    Watch us on YouTube [https://youtu.be/2WusxdM4njs]   Our Sponsors: Cotality [https://www.cotality.com/]  Notorious VIP [https://notoriousrob.substack.com/] The Giant Steps Job Board [https://vendoralley.jobboard.io/]    Production and Editing Services by Sunbound Studios [https://www.sunboundstudios.com/]

17. sep. 2025 - 1 h 2 min
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Housing remedies and Compass musings

The Industry Relations Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player! Rob and Greg tackle the pressing issue of housing affordability, reacting to reports that the Trump administration may declare a national housing emergency. They debate potential federal approaches, including deregulation, incentives, zoning reform, and changes to mortgage lending. The conversation also shifts to Zillow’s enforcement against exclusive listings and what the data may actually reveal about Compass’s inventory. Key Takeaways * Reports suggest the Trump administration is considering declaring a national housing emergency. * Federal action is constrained by state and local control, but incentives and funding leverage could encourage zoning reform. * Deregulation, such as loosening zoning restrictions and NIMBY barriers, could expand housing supply. * Debate over mortgage financing: Rob argues government backing of 30-year fixed mortgages inflates housing prices, while Greg stresses the social good of homeownership. * Alternative idea: shift federal guarantees from mortgages to construction loans to directly increase housing supply. * Tax and regulatory approaches could curb institutional investors buying homes for rentals. * Discussion of Mike DelPrete’s analysis of Compass’s exclusive inventory trends after Zillow’s policy enforcement. * Conflicting views: Rob sees it as evidence Zillow lost influence; Greg suggests it may simply reflect stale inventory. Links Exclusive Inventory Update and Zillow's Catch-22 [https://www.mikedp.com/articles/2025/9/2/exclusive-inventory-update-and-zillows-catch-22]   Connect with Rob and Greg Rob’s Website [https://notoriousrob.substack.com/]  Greg’s Website [https://www.vendoralley.com/about-2/]    Watch us on YouTube [https://youtu.be/kI7B02KdN_w?si=iZ_EfLz2f0zkQ4uF]   Our Sponsors: Cotality [https://www.cotality.com/]  Notorious VIP [https://notoriousrob.substack.com/] The Giant Steps Job Board [https://vendoralley.jobboard.io/]    Production and Editing Services by Sunbound Studios [https://www.sunboundstudios.com/]

10. sep. 2025 - 59 min
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Give Me Some Knobs!

The Industry Relations Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player! In this episode, Rob and Greg dive into the balance between technology and human connection in real estate. From car tech frustrations to the rise of “dumb phones,” they discuss how AI and digital tools are reshaping the industry—and whether that’s always a good thing. The conversation explores where technology truly adds value versus where it risks eroding the personal relationships that define real estate. They also touch on Opendoor’s evolving agent strategy and the broader AI hype cycle in business. Key Takeaways * Tech minimalism is gaining traction as people push back against screens and automation in everyday life . * Real estate may benefit more from authentic human connections than from full automation. * AI is both transformative and overhyped—efficiency gains often come with trade-offs. * Tools like DocuSign provide convenience but may reduce valuable informal interactions. * Opendoor’s new “Key Connections” program shows a shift in how it integrates agents from the start. * The industry should focus less on “AI supremacy” and more on thoughtful application of technology.     Connect with Rob and Greg Rob’s Website [https://notoriousrob.substack.com/]  Greg’s Website [https://www.vendoralley.com/about-2/]    Watch us on YouTube [https://youtu.be/kI7B02KdN_w?si=iZ_EfLz2f0zkQ4uF]   Our Sponsors: Cotality [https://www.cotality.com/]  Notorious VIP [https://notoriousrob.substack.com/] The Giant Steps Job Board [https://vendoralley.jobboard.io/]    Production and Editing Services by Sunbound Studios [https://www.sunboundstudios.com/]

03. sep. 2025 - 50 min
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Back to the future with Sub Agency?

The Industry Relations Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player! Rob and Greg dive into the latest developments in the real estate industry, including Andrea’s move to Real Estate News, Anne Marie’s push for MLS independence, and ongoing debates around realtor commissions and compliance. They also examine a new lawsuit challenging enforcement of buyer representation agreements and revisit the idea of sub-agency as a potential solution to persistent steering problems. Key Takeaways * Andrea at Real Estate News: Andrea joins Real Estate News, raising hopes for stronger investigative journalism in the industry. * MLS Independence: Anne Marie’s upcoming retirement sparks discussion on MLS separation from associations and questions of ownership structure. * Realtor Commissions Rising: Despite reforms, commissions are reportedly up, prompting concerns over steering and transparency. * ZEA v. NAR Lawsuit: A self-represented broker challenges MLSs and NAR over lack of enforcement of buyer agreements, potentially opening the door for class action. * Compliance Issues: Evidence suggests weak enforcement of mandatory buyer agreements and ongoing loopholes in rules. * Return to Sub-Agency? Rob argues a shift back to sub-agency could simplify compensation and cooperation while reducing steering conflicts. * Future Uncertainty: Regulatory or legislative changes may be required to address systemic problems that lawsuits alone cannot solve.   Links Real Estate News Article [https://www.realestatenews.com/2025/08/20/ceo-calls-for-mls-freedom-from-realtor-control?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=linkedin]   Connect with Rob and Greg Rob’s Website [https://notoriousrob.substack.com/]  Greg’s Website [https://www.vendoralley.com/about-2/]    Watch us on YouTube [https://youtu.be/kI7B02KdN_w?si=iZ_EfLz2f0zkQ4uF]   Our Sponsors: Cotality [https://www.cotality.com/]  Notorious VIP [https://notoriousrob.substack.com/] The Giant Steps Job Board [https://vendoralley.jobboard.io/]    Production and Editing Services by Sunbound Studios [https://www.sunboundstudios.com/]

27. aug. 2025 - 53 min
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