Interrupting Business As Usual

Ep 74: The Problem with Leadership in Social Justice Spaces

19 min · 26. april 2026
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You don't have a leadership problem. You have a how you think about leadership problem. Every time harm happens in activist spaces, we ask: Who allowed this person to lead? But we don't ask: Why were we organizing ourselves around them in the first place? In this episode, Nikki breaks down how leadership models in social justice spaces concentrate power, recreate harm, and keep us stuck in the same cycles. In This Episode * Why charismatic leaders are often a red flag, not a solution * How movements recreate hierarchy instead of dismantling it * The danger of outsourcing your power and critical thinking * Why visibility gets mistaken for integrity * What it actually means to practice shared power and accountability Special thanks to Def Sound for providing the theme for Interrupting Everything.⁣⁣⁣⁣ ⁣ Where do we go from here? * To learn more about what you heard on the podcast today, visit nikkiblak.com [http://nikkiblak.com/]. * TAP HERE [https://bit.ly/work-with-nikki-IBAU] to work privately with Nikki * TAP HERE [https://bit.ly/email-sign-up-IBAU] to subscribe to the free weekly email series Resourcing a Revolution for more exclusive content * Follow Nikki on IG: @nikkiblak [https://www.instagram.com/nikkiblak]

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Ep 78: We Can't Have Matriarchy without Community

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Matriarchy is not simply women occupying positions of power inside the same violent systems. It is a complete reimagining of how we relate to ourselves, one another, the Earth, healing, care, accountability, and collective survival. In the final installment of this series on matriarchy, Nikki sits down with educator, author, and healing justice practitioner Myisha T. Hill for a profound conversation about what it would actually take to co-create a matriarchal society. Together, they explore why liberation cannot be achieved through intellectual understanding alone and why healing - especially healing beyond whiteness, hierarchy, patriarchy, and codependency - is essential to collective liberation. This conversation dives deep into: * Whiteness as erasure * Somatics and nervous system healing * The difference between codependency and interdependence * Ancestor work and healing historical wounds * Why white feminism cannot create matriarchy * Black feminist and Indigenous understandings of care * Healing justice as liberatory practice * Embodiment, praxis, and living the work IRL * Collective liberation and the future we must learn to co-create together Myisha also shares insights from her groundbreaking book Heal Your Way Forward and discusses why so many people attempt liberation work without first doing the internal healing required to sustain it. If Episodes 75 and 76 asked us to rethink power and democracy, this conversation asks us something even deeper: Who must we become to make matriarchy possible? TAP HERE [https://myishathill.com/] to connect with Myisha T. Hill, learn more about her Joy Is the Revolution Tour, and get a copy of her book Heal Your Way Forward: The Co-Conspirator's Guide to an Antiracist Future. Special thanks to Def Sound for providing the theme for Interrupting Business As Usual.⁣⁣⁣⁣ ⁣ Where do we go from here? * To learn more about what you heard on the podcast today, visit nikkiblak.com [https://bit.ly/website-IBAU]. * TAP HERE [https://bit.ly/work-with-nikki-IBAU] to work privately with Nikki * TAP HERE [https://bit.ly/email-sign-up-IBAU] to subscribe to the free weekly email series Resourcing a Revolution for more exclusive content * Follow Nikki on IG: @nikkiblak [https://www.instagram.com/nikkiblak]

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Ep 74: The Problem with Leadership in Social Justice Spaces

You don't have a leadership problem. You have a how you think about leadership problem. Every time harm happens in activist spaces, we ask: Who allowed this person to lead? But we don't ask: Why were we organizing ourselves around them in the first place? In this episode, Nikki breaks down how leadership models in social justice spaces concentrate power, recreate harm, and keep us stuck in the same cycles. In This Episode * Why charismatic leaders are often a red flag, not a solution * How movements recreate hierarchy instead of dismantling it * The danger of outsourcing your power and critical thinking * Why visibility gets mistaken for integrity * What it actually means to practice shared power and accountability Special thanks to Def Sound for providing the theme for Interrupting Everything.⁣⁣⁣⁣ ⁣ Where do we go from here? * To learn more about what you heard on the podcast today, visit nikkiblak.com [http://nikkiblak.com/]. * TAP HERE [https://bit.ly/work-with-nikki-IBAU] to work privately with Nikki * TAP HERE [https://bit.ly/email-sign-up-IBAU] to subscribe to the free weekly email series Resourcing a Revolution for more exclusive content * Follow Nikki on IG: @nikkiblak [https://www.instagram.com/nikkiblak]

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