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In this episode of Plain View, Elise and Kristine talk about the topic of grief: what it is, how it shows up, and the many forms it can take. They share their own stories of navigating infertility and the grief that comes with longing, uncertainty, and the less visible forms of grief that often go unnamed. This is a deeply personal conversation about how we grieve the things we’ve lost, the futures we imagined, the identities we once held, and the changes we never saw coming. Through community reflections and small moments of meaning-making, they explore how we might live alongside grief without rushing to move past it. The episode closes with a short guided practice from Kristine to support you in whatever version of grief you may be carrying. Timestamps & Key Topics: 00:00 – Introduction & why this is the most personal episode yet 01:00 – Deep breaths before a heavy conversation 02:00 – Rituals for grounding and preparing to talk about grief 03:00 – Why structure didn’t feel right for this topic 04:18 – Community responses: Have you experienced grief? How do you view it? 05:30 – Defining grief beyond death: infertility, identity, dreams, transitions 07:00 – Feeling less alone through the podcast and community 08:48 – Elise shares her fertility story, grief, and healing 13:06 – Societal expectations vs. personal desire 16:46 – Kristine shares what it’s like to be in the uncertainty of infertility 19:39 – Grieving something that’s never existed 21:32 – The pain of comparison and stacked grief 24:15 – Yearning as the heart of grief 27:00 – The financial and emotional toll of fertility treatments 29:27 – Unexpected growth, identity shifts, and finding meaning 33:19 – How to support someone who is grieving 36:19 – What grief feels like: vivid metaphors and physical sensations 41:00 – Elise shares how she and Dan came to the decision not to have children 50:00 – Identity, release, and rebuilding life without a role you once imagined 52:10 – Community reflections: what helps you cope with grief 53:08 – Grief and time: the science of experience and memory 57:47 – Beauty and love in new forms: being a present aunt, friend, and guide 01:09:49 – The quote: “To plant a garden is to believe in tomorrow” 01:11:00 – Guided grief practice with Kristine Resources we mentioned in the episode: The Grieving Brain: The Surprising Science of How We Learn from Love and Loss by Mary-Frances O'Connor [https://bookshop.org/a/17136/9780062946249] “There are years that ask questions and years that answer” – Zora Neale Hurston Elise’s personal Substack essay It Only Has To Make Sense To You [https://elisejoseph.substack.com/p/it-only-has-to-make-sense-to-you] “To Plant A Garden Is To Believe In Tomorrow” IG post [https://www.instagram.com/p/DJbvYC4NZ_Y/?igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ%3D%3D] Connect with Us: plainview.world [https://www.plainview.world/] on Instagram @plai.nview [https://www.instagram.com/plai.nview/] Elise Joseph James – elisejosephjames.com [https://elisejosephjames.com] Kristine Claghorn – claggie.com [https://claggie.com] You can also find us over on Substack: Elise [https://elisejoseph.substack.com/] & Kristine [https://claggie.substack.com/] The Episode 7 cover is a photo by Elise Joseph James.
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