The impact of disclosure: John Priestland, Dr. Martin Abbas on psychology of contact

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In this episode of "Reality Check," Ross Coulthart sits down with John Priestland and Dr. Martin Abbas of uNHIdden, the U.K. and U.S. foundation behind the first systematic public health framework for a disclosure event. Their report, "Preparing for Disclosure: A Public Health Framework for Paradigm-shifting Revelations," was published in June 2026. You can read it in full here:https://www.unhidden.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/06/uNHIdden-Preparedness-Plan-Final-1.pdf The premise is almost entirely unexamined. Governments plan for pandemics, natural disasters and mass-casualty events, but nothing in any national framework prepares ordinary people for the psychological and social fallout of learning that humanity is not alone. UNHIdden takes no position on whether confirmatory information sits inside a classified program. Their case rests on the precautionary principle: the potential scale of the public response is large, the preparedness gap is real and the cost of preparing for an event that may never come is modest next to the cost of being unprepared. The report borrows tools from pandemic preparedness, disaster mental health and crisis communication. Ross and his guests work through that framework. They define ontological shock, the disorientation a person feels when the ground assumptions of their reality give way, and trace why the mental health toll of a societal trauma so often outlasts the physical one. The conversation covers the institutional history that built the stigma, including the Robertson Panel and the decision to make ridicule a matter of policy and the lasting damage institutional betrayal does once a public learns it was misled. Dr. Abbas, a practicing GP, describes what it is like to sit across from an experiencer whose first words are almost always a version of "I'm not crazy, but I know you'll think I am." The two men map the high-risk groups who could struggle most, from committed skeptics and the religiously devout to experiencers and the already vulnerable, and explain the population strategy at the center of the plan, drawn from epidemiologist Geoffrey Rose, that lifting whole-society resilience even slightly does more aggregate good than concentrating on the most severely affected. Ross presses them on the hardest scenarios, a craft down in Hyde Park, the question of religious confrontation and whether a government still managing a half-truth does more harm than the full truth would. The episode closes on consciousness, near-death research and the possibility that simply talking about all of this openly, now, is the gentlest way to prepare. #uNHIdden #disclosure #psychology CREDITS Host: Ross Coulthart Executive Producer: Andy Gipson Editorial Producer: Meagan Medick Segment Producer: Christine Jenkinson Associate Producer: Will Tomasi Research Producer: Rob Jones Editor: John Nock On "Reality Check," NewsNation Special Correspondent Ross Coulthart takes a fact-based approach to tackle everything from unidentified aerial phenomena (UAPs) to mysteries often missing from the headlines. More Reality Check: https://www.newsnationnow.com/podcasts-newsnation/reality-check-with-ross-coulthart/ Email your questions to RealityCheck@NewsNationNow.com NewsNation is your source for fact-based, unbiased news for all Americans. More from NewsNation: https://www.newsnationnow.com/ Get our app: https://trib.al/TBXgYpp Find us on your screen: https://www.joinnn.com/

Watergate, the JFK assassination and a UFO secret at the center of it all | Reality Check

Jonathan Caplan KC, a veteran British barrister and King’s Counsel, joins Ross Coulthart this week for "Reality Check" to discuss Caplan's new book Not For Disclosure, the culmination of 50 years investigating the UAP mystery. Applying the same evidentiary standards he used in court, Caplan explains why he believes the phenomenon deserves serious attention. Ross asks what Britain may quietly know about UAPs, which UK cases are most credible, and what to make of persistent claims involving British special forces and crash retrievals. The conversation also explores Prince Philip’s interest in UFOs, reports of UFO-curious British nobility, and the mysterious figure Air Marshal Sir Peter Horsley called “Mr. Janus.” A major focus is the controversial Majestic 12 documents. Caplan explains why he considers key papers authentic, addresses claims they were forged, and examines documents tied to Timothy Cooper, Ryan Wood, White Sands, Richard Drain, and the 1953 effort to debunk the subject. The discussion then turns to allegations involving President John F. Kennedy, Howard Hunt, Watergate, and the so-called Lancer document. Finally, Caplan and Coulthart tackle the biggest question of all: if nonhuman intelligence is interacting with Earth, what exactly is it—and are we ready to know? JONATHAN CAPLAN'S BOOK, "NOT FOR DISCLOSURE": Blackwell's (free hardback shipping for US customers, hardback available June 11): https://blackwells.co.uk/bookshop/product/Not-for-Disclosure-by-Jonathan-Caplan/9781529979961 Amazon UK (ships hardback to the US, delivery charged, hardback available June 11): https://www.amazon.co.uk/Not-Disclosure-UFOS-Worlds-Secret/dp/152997996X/ Amazon US (audiobook and ebook available June 11, hardback available August 18): https://www.amazon.com/Not-Disclosure-Jonathan-Caplan/dp/152997996X/ CREDITS Host: Ross Coulthart Executive Producer: Andy Gipson Editorial Producer: Meagan Medick Segment Producer: Christine Jenkinson Associate Producer: Will Tomasi Research Producer: Rob Jones Editor: Anthony Diasio CHAPTERS :00 Intro 2:06 What Pulled a Fraud Barrister Into the UFO Question 3:44 What Britain's Establishment Knows, and the UK Case Worth Your Attention 5:50 British Special Forces, Crash Retrieval, and the Goodwood Aerodrome Video 7:28 Prince Philip's Quiet Interest, and a Long Line of UFO-Curious Nobility 9:45 The Mr. Janus Story, an Air Marshal's Strangest Encounter 12:28 A Senior RAF Officer's Portal Story, and Forrestal's Meeting With Tizard 16:20 The MJ12 Documents, and Why Caplan Thinks They're Real 21:13 Were the Documents Forged by James Jesus Angleton? 23:28 Corroborating the Papers, a Fraud Investigator's Standard of Proof 28:35 Tim Cooper's Originals and the New Documents Ryan Wood Recovered 33:43 The Blair House Document, and Politicians as "Temporary Employees" 36:00 A Craft Forced Down at White Sands, and the Mantell Case 37:42 The Richard Drain Letter, and the 1953 Decision to Debunk 41:19 Why These Papers Are Hard to Fake, and How They Surfaced 46:55 The Holloman "Advanced Contact" Meeting With a Nordic Being 49:19 JFK, UFOs, and Howard Hunt's Lawyer Douglas Caddy 54:18 Was Watergate Really About Hiding UFO Secrets? 58:11 The US and Russia's Agreement to Deconflict Over UAP 59:28 The Lancer Document, Pulled From a Burning Fireplace 1:03:28 Do the Documents Tie JFK's Death to UFOs? 1:05:14 Frank Sturgis, the Grassy Knoll, and a Confession Never Chased Down 1:07:51 Marilyn Monroe, Dorothy Kilgallen, and a Leaked Wiretap 1:11:19 A Cancer at the Heart of the Mystery, and the CIA's Air Warfare Branch 1:13:46 Chris Sharp's UK Office of Global Access, Does Caplan Buy It? 1:17:58 An Astronaut Sent to Russia for a Retrieval, and What Clinton Knew 1:17:59 Uri Geller, Haim Eshed, and the Contacts Caplan Is Still Chasing 1:21:41 Is a Non-Human Intelligence Here, and Keel's Cryptoterrestrials 1:26:00 Why Disclosure Won't Come From Trump 1:27:09 The Condign Report, Sentient Plasmoids, and Whether We're Ready

18. juni 20261 h 32 min

The impact of disclosure: John Priestland, Dr. Martin Abbas on psychology of contact | Reality Check

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