Minnie Pearl and the Hidden History of Nashville: Country Music, Culture, and Legacy with Mary Ellen Pethel

The Forgotten World War: The Global Story of the American Revolution with Derek Baxter

Writer Derek Baxter joins Holley to explore the global story behind the American Revolution through his book The Forgotten World War: The American Revolution as a Global Conflict. Together, they discuss how the Revolutionary War extended far beyond the Thirteen Colonies, involving battles, alliances, and political struggles across Europe, the Caribbean, India, and beyond. The conversation highlights the crucial role of foreign allies such as France and Spain, the overlooked contributions of Cuba in supporting the victory at Yorktown, and the ways later histories narrowed what contemporaries understood to be a worldwide conflict. Derek also shares insights from his travels to historic sites connected to the war, offering a broader perspective on America’s founding and the international forces that helped shape it. Derek Baxter Biography Derek Baxter is the author of In Pursuit of Jefferson: Traveling through Europe with the Most Perplexing Founding Father, in which he recounts his journeys through six countries, armed with a guide written by Jefferson in 1788. This is his second book. He lives with his family in northern Virginia. About The Forgotten World War: Exploring the Secret History of the American Revolution, from Spain to India and Back Again The Revolutionary War wasn’t just fought in the Thirteen Colonies—it was a world war, spanning four continents. To discover more, Baxter embarks on an adventure-filled quest across the globe. He finds the human stories behind this long-ago conflict, expanding the universe of those who contributed to the cause, including the French, Spanish, Dutch, Oneida Indians, and Mysore Kingdom of India. And he delivers a powerful message: The United States only exists because peoples of different races, languages, and religions learned how to fight together, writing an unexpected story of independence that continues to resonate and inspire today. Connect with Derek: Website [https://www.jeffersontravels.com/] | Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/derekjbaxter/] | Facebook [https://www.facebook.com/jeffersontravels/] The Forgotten World War: Hardcover [https://bookshop.org/a/117961/9781464238925] | Ebook [https://bookshop.org/a/117961/9781464238932] | Amazon [https://www.amazon.com/Forgotten-World-War-Exploring-Revolution/dp/1464238928/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0] Connect with Holley: Buy Me A Coffee [https://buymeacoffee.com/sayitwithhistory] | Website [https://www.holleysnaith.com] | LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/holleysnaith/] Newsletter: Stay Connected with Holley [https://holley-snaith.kit.com/e81ae1b230]

Minnie Pearl and the Hidden History of Nashville: Country Music, Culture, and Legacy with Mary Ellen Pethel

For the final episode of Season 3 of Say It With History, author, historian, and educator Mary Ellen Pethel joins Holley to explore the life and legacy of Minnie Pearl and the woman behind the beloved persona, Sarah Cannon. Together, they discuss Mary Ellen’s book Howdy! The Minnie Pearl Story, Minnie’s rise from small-town performer to Grand Ole Opry icon, the misconceptions surrounding her career, and the lasting impact she had on country music and Nashville’s cultural landscape. Mary Ellen also shares insights into her work with Nashville Sites and reflects on the power of public history to preserve overlooked stories and connect communities to the past. Mary Ellen Pethel Biography Mary Ellen Pethel is an author, historian, and educator at Belmont University, where she directs the Global Honors Program and leads initiatives connecting academic research with public engagement. An award-winning author of six books, her work focuses on women’s leadership, education, and social change. Her latest book, Howdy! The Minnie Pearl Story, co-authored with Don Cusic, is the definitive biography of Sarah Cannon. She is also the executive director of Nashville Sites, a nationally recognized digital public history platform bringing Nashville’s stories to life through interactive tours. Howdy! The Minnie Pearl Story Throughout her career, Sarah Ophelia Colley Cannon skillfully balanced her dual roles as Minnie and Sarah. Whether at the Opry, on the road, or on Hee Haw, Minnie remained a trusted friend and consummate professional. As k.d. lang noted, “Minnie understood where country music needed to go and who it needed to embrace. She was a visionary.” Rich with 155 historic photographs, this definitive biography covers the many chapters of Sarah Cannon’s life. Drawing from archives and interviews with those who knew her, Howdy! The Minnie Pearl Story captures not only Cannon’s enduring humor and impact, but also the woman behind the laughter. Connect with Mary Ellen: Website [https://nashvillesites.org/] | Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/drpethel/] | LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/mary-ellen-pethel/] Howdy! The Minnie Pearl Story: The University of Tennessee Press [https://utpress.org/9798895270585/howdy/] | Hardcover [https://bookshop.org/a/117961/9798895270585] | Ebook [https://bookshop.org/a/117961/9798895270592] Connect with Holley: Buy Me A Coffee [https://buymeacoffee.com/sayitwithhistory] | Website [https://www.holleysnaith.com] | LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/holleysnaith/] Newsletter: Stay Connected with Holley [https://holley-snaith.kit.com/e81ae1b230]

Jo van Gogh and Vincent van Gogh: The Woman Who Built an Artist’s Legacy with Joan Fernandez

Historical fiction author and speaker Joan Fernandez joins Holley to explore the untold story of Jo van Gogh-Bonger and the making of Vincent van Gogh’s legacy. Together, they challenge the myth of the isolated “mad genius,” examining how Jo’s strategy, resilience, and belief in Vincent’s work transformed him into a global icon. They also discuss how modern concepts like branding, influence, and storytelling shaped his reputation, and what it means to write history with integrity. Joan reflects on her own path from corporate marketing to historical fiction and the importance of uncovering the overlooked figures who change the course of history. Joan Fernandez Biography Joan Fernandez leverages three decades in the corporate marketing trenches to reveal the untold story of the woman who built the Van Gogh legacy. The author of the award-winning Saving Vincent: A Novel of Jo van Gogh (2025), Joan is a leading authority on Jo van Gogh-Bonger, framing her not simply as a widow, but as a brilliant strategist who navigated the demands of single motherhood while disrupting the global art market. Beyond her work as a frequent speaker and founder of the Women’s Fiction Writers Association Historical Fiction affinity group, she explores the intersection of history, marketing, and resilience in her Substack, Digging In with Joan Fernandez. About Saving Vincent: A Novel of Jo van Gogh Based on a true story, in 1891, timid Jo van Gogh Bonger lives safely in the background of her art dealer husband Theo’s passionate work to sell unknown artists, especially his ill-fated dead brother Vincent. When Theo dies unexpectedly, Jo’s brief happiness is shattered. Her inheritance—hundreds of unsold paintings by Vincent—is worthless. Pressured to move to her parents’ home, Jo defies tradition, opening a boarding house to raise her infant son alone, and choosing to promote Vincent’s art herself. But her ingenuity and persistence draw the powerful opposition of a Parisian art dealer who vows to stop her once and for all, and so sink Vincent into obscurity. Connect with Joan: Website [https://www.joanfernandezauthor.com/] | Facebook [https://www.facebook.com/joanferndzauthor] | Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/joanfernandezauthor/] | LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/joan-fernandez/] | Substack [https://joanfernandez.substack.com/] Saving Vincent: Paperback [https://bookshop.org/a/117961/9781647428709] | Ebook [https://bookshop.org/a/117961/9781647428716] | Simon & Schuster [https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Saving-Vincent/Joan-Fernandez/9781647428709] Books Mentioned: Heroines of Mercy Street by Pamela Toler Paperback [https://bookshop.org/a/117961/9780316392068] | Ebook [https://bookshop.org/a/117961/9780316392051] Connect with Holley: Buy Me A Coffee [https://buymeacoffee.com/sayitwithhistory] | Website [https://www.holleysnaith.com] | LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/holleysnaith/] Newsletter: Stay Connected with Holley [https://holley-snaith.kit.com/e81ae1b230]

Material Culture Explained: How Objects Tell Hidden Histories with Laura Smith

Historian Laura Smith joins Holley to explore the power of material culture and how objects help us better understand the past. Together, they discuss how everyday items can reveal complex and often overlooked histories, why physical artifacts create deeper human connection than written sources alone, and how museums use objects to spark conversation and reflection. Laura also shares insights from her work at Woodlawn & Pope-Leighey House and reflects on how learning to “read” objects can change the way we see history and the world around us. Laura Smith Biography Laura Smith is a public historian whose work is focused on material culture as a way to encourage observation, conversation, and connection. A Utah native now based in Northern Virginia, Laura serves as the Program and Collections Assistant at Woodlawn & Pope-Leighey House. Beyond her museum work, Laura dedicates her time as the Vice Chair of the Manassas Historic Resources Board and contributes to the field through independent writing.  Books Mentioned: History Through Material Culture by Leonie Hannan and Sarah Longair Paperback [https://bookshop.org/a/117961/9781784991265] Connect with Laura: Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/thecabinetofcuriosity1/] | LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/laura-e-smith1/] | Substack [https://lauraesmith2.substack.com/?utm_campaign=reader2&utm_medium=reader2&utm_source=%2Fsearch%2Fthecabinetofcuriosity] Woodlawn and Pope-Leighey House: Website [https://www.woodlawnpopeleighey.org/] Connect with Holley: Buy Me A Coffee [https://buymeacoffee.com/sayitwithhistory] | Website [https://www.holleysnaith.com/] | LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/holleysnaith/]  Newsletter: Stay Connected with Holley [https://holley-snaith.kit.com/e81ae1b230]

Women in Historic Preservation: Saving America’s Landmarks and Legacy with Amanda Roper

Public historian Amanda Roper joins Holley to explore the often overlooked role of women in historic preservation. Together, they discuss how women have played a central role in saving places like George Washington’s Mount Vernon, how preservation goes beyond buildings to protect cultural memory and identity, and why these stories remain so important today. Amanda also reflects on her own path into public history and the importance of sharing underrepresented stories. Amanda Roper Biography Amanda Roper is a public historian who has dedicated her career to preserving historic places and sharing stories that have often been underrepresented in the American historical narrative. She holds a degree in history from the College of Charleston and has worked with several leading cultural and preservation institutions, including the National Park Service, the Smithsonian Institution, and the National Trust for Historic Preservation, as well as at historic sites in Charleston, South Carolina, and Alexandria, Virginia. Amanda currently serves on the boards of the Historic House Museum Consortium of Washington, District of Columbia; Japanese American Memorial Pilgrimages; and the National Collaborative for Women’s History Sites. She is a 2025–2026 Research Fellow at the George Washington Presidential Library at Mount Vernon and is currently researching and writing a book exploring the history of women in historic preservation. About Amanda’s Upcoming Book Saving America’s Past: Women in Preservation explores the vital but often overlooked role women have played in preserving America's historic places—from early localized efforts in the nineteenth century to continued leadership in the modern era. Long before preservation became professionalized, women led the charge to save buildings and landscapes, protect cultural heritage, and shape public memory and civic identity. Women have stewarded some of our most famous historic homes, parks, battlefields, neighborhoods, and cities and served as essential keepers of community stories and material culture. This book will take readers on a journey through America’s preservation history, highlighting key women who worked individually and collectively to save our past. This book traces the various and evolving motivations women had for engaging in this work, revealing how women used their skills, networks, and vision to shape the way American’s remember their own history. Books Mentioned: Black Majority by Peter Wood Paperback [https://bookshop.org/a/117961/9781324066200] | Ebook [https://bookshop.org/a/117961/9781324086741] Connect with Amanda: Website [https://amandahroper.com/] | Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/amandahroper] | LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/amanda-roper-36559592]  Connect with Holley: Buy Me A Coffee [https://buymeacoffee.com/sayitwithhistory] | Website [https://www.holleysnaith.com] | LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/holleysnaith/] Newsletter: Stay Connected with Holley [https://holley-snaith.kit.com/e81ae1b230]